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  • Why do horses trample dogs
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    08-01-2012, 12:51 AM
  #21
Foal
I was thinking a paintball gun might be effective...
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    08-01-2012, 09:32 AM
  #22
Trained
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Originally Posted by srh1    
I was thinking a paintball gun might be effective...
It would also let the owner realize that his dog was getting in trouble.
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    08-01-2012, 09:37 AM
  #23
Yearling
Put amonia in the squirt gun or bottle and spray the dogs with it. Works better than vineger. Really sends them yelping for home if you can get it in their nose or eyes.
     
    08-01-2012, 12:23 PM
  #24
Foal
Wow sorta sad how many of you seem to gleeful laugh about having your horses trample or kill dogs, borderline sexual in some of these posts.

Being your horse people, therefore believe your animal incapable of doing any wrong, (much like some dog owners) I suppose I can understand. I've met many aggressive and dangerous horses that were a physical threat toward humans and animals alike.......there really aught to be some dangerous horse laws.

Its also illegal to willfully damage or destroy others property, online statements are admissions of guilt in a court of law. Off leash laws are not a blanket right to abuse or kill someone else's dog. Chasing the animal off is one thing but to enjoy corning it and letting your horse kill it for amusement is borderline sadist.

That being said self defense is a inherent right of any animal, so no bone to pick there.
I've had my two dogs attacked by dogs and being experience as a trainer / rescuer I know ways to break it up safely. Chasing aways a great idea and re in forces the idea of staying away from horses, trampling only causes emotional and physical trauma, broken bones and damaged organs.

Sad to see such a deep hatred for a specific species of animal among the horse owners.

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    08-01-2012, 12:53 PM
  #25
Foal
No one on here said anything about letting their horses kill dogs for amusement.

No one said anything about letting their horses corner the dog.

The only reason any of us would let our horses charge a dog is if the dog was a threat to us or our horses and not leaving us alone or responding to us yelling at them or turning our horses to face them. The only way the dog is getting trampled is if it DIDN'T run away from the horse after we had already decided it was necessary to charge them or if it was already right underfoot and there wasn't anything else we could do.

I love dogs, I have rescued, socialized, trained and rehomed a few and I also have one of my own. When she is off my property she is always either on leash in my line of sight and under voice control. It is my responsibility to keep her safe and out of trouble. It wouldn't suprise me if most of the other posters also love most dogs.

I am not going to hold my horse back and let her get hurt by an aggressive dog though. She trusts me to either protect her or let her protect herself. I will do the best I can to be sure we are not put in danger by any dog. Hopefully all that will ever mean is facing off and yelling at the dog but if that means letting my horse chase the dog, trample it, or even me shooting it? Then yes. I will.
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    08-01-2012, 12:56 PM
  #26
Foal
I've fought fire with fire in this case!

I got a dog, and have trained him to come along on hacks and trail rides quietly. He walks beside my horse (nowhere near the legs or hooves of course), or will go ahead, usually no more than 20 ft. He sits and waits if he gets too far ahead, and will bark if he sees anything on the trail. We have met other hackers with him, and he is trained to sit and stay until we move on.

We had a few run ins with a couple loose dogs, and mostly, when they see his brawn lumbering forward (100lbs of furry black dog), they generally back off. He will go after the dog if they get too close to the horse's, but he's never done any damage, just a few growls and nips.
     
    08-01-2012, 01:04 PM
  #27
Foal
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Originally Posted by srh1    
No one on here said anything about letting their horses kill dogs for amusement.

No one said anything about letting their horses corner the dog.

The only reason any of us would let our horses charge a dog is if the dog was a threat to us or our horses and not leaving us alone or responding to us yelling at them or turning our horses to face them. The only way the dog is getting trampled is if it DIDN'T run away from the horse after we had already decided it was necessary to charge them or if it was already right underfoot and there wasn't anything else we could do.

I love dogs, I have rescued, socialized, trained and rehomed a few and I also have one of my own. When she is off my property she is always either on leash in my line of sight and under voice control. It is my responsibility to keep her safe and out of trouble. It wouldn't suprise me if most of the other posters also love most dogs.

I am not going to hold my horse back and let her get hurt by an aggressive dog though. She trusts me to either protect her or let her protect herself. I will do the best I can to be sure we are not put in danger by any dog. Hopefully all that will ever mean is facing off and yelling at the dog but if that means letting my horse chase the dog, trample it, or even me shooting it? Then yes. I will.
If your protecting yourself or your horse of course. I've shot and killed wild jacks while in Texas protecting my dog at the time and once when a lamb had been killed. I'd kill a horse o dog protecting my own so I understand that. But you folks laughing about it in your posts only further validates its more than merely a duty and bed come a very entertaining event for you.

Thank you for replying.
     
    08-01-2012, 01:16 PM
  #28
Foal
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Originally Posted by Randella    
I've fought fire with fire in this case!

I got a dog, and have trained him to come along on hacks and trail rides quietly. He walks beside my horse (nowhere near the legs or hooves of course), or will go ahead, usually no more than 20 ft. He sits and waits if he gets too far ahead, and will bark if he sees anything on the trail. We have met other hackers with him, and he is trained to sit and stay until we move on.

We had a few run ins with a couple loose dogs, and mostly, when they see his brawn lumbering forward (100lbs of furry black dog), they generally back off. He will go after the dog if they get too close to the horse's, but he's never done any damage, just a few growls and nips.
That's a good idea. What breed? I normally find mixed breeds the best in training around other animals with the exception of Pyrenees or cattle breeds. Did you also train the horse to equally respect the dog? Often that's not the case.

If so may I ask how? That's one of the reasons I joined. A friend and I will likely share a home out in the sticks and would like peaceful co existence not worried about my two therapy dogs. Advise please?
     
    08-01-2012, 01:21 PM
  #29
Weanling
Let the horse kick dog, he and the owner could learn a lesson.

That, or wheel around and face the dog, and run him off. It usually works.

Good luck, some dogs are just '**** dogs' and think it's a game, and keep coming back and acting obnoxious and annoying your horse. Most of them don't cease the barking even if both you and your horse ignores it and do nothing.
     
    08-01-2012, 01:34 PM
  #30
Foal
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Originally Posted by colocityboy    
That's a good idea. What breed? I normally find mixed breeds the best in training around other animals with the exception of Pyrenees or cattle breeds. Did you also train the horse to equally respect the dog? Often that's not the case.

If so may I ask how? That's one of the reasons I joined. A friend and I will likely share a home out in the sticks and would like peaceful co existence not worried about my two therapy dogs. Advise please?
My dog is a mix, and it's funny that you say you don't use Great Pyrenees often, as he is half Great Pyrenees! Lol he's crossed with a Boarder Collie.

I've had him since he was 8 weeks old, and basically, I started bringing him out into the barn, and around the horses as often as I could. My horse LOVES anything small (kids, dogs, cats, etc), so he immediately struck up a liking for the dog. And with time, they both learned to respect each other (there was one incident with a tail that got stepped on, but it was the the hair on the tip, so no real harm occurred, and it was a good learning experience for them both).

Since I was outside so much, I used a longer leash (12 or 16ft) that I looped around my waist and clipped to the dog, so he would learn to follow me, pay attention and respect my space when I'm on the ground. I did it mostly while I was mucking stalls, or doing outside chores that didn't involve the horses. Once he grew up a little, I introduced a shorter leash (6ft), that I looped around my waist, so the dog had to stay right by my side while I was working with the horses (grooming, and leading them mostly).

When I was away from the barn, I worked with a professional trainer to get voice commands down perfectly (Sit, Stay, Come, Speak, Go Home, Lay Down, Heel, etc).

We took him out on his first trail when he was 2.5 years old, with a couple of very laid back, bombproof hack horses. We rode around an area that he knew (about 3km of trail), and brought him back a very happy, tired puppy!

He's 5 now, and still accompanies me on trails. We've also (because of the collie breed in him) got him herding horses now. We only use it in emergencies (horse's get out, etc), but it sure is handy.

Hope this helps!
     

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