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        08-01-2012, 02:37 PM
      #31
    Foal
    Noooo I meant to say that breed and cattle dogs r natural selection for working with other animals....also very protective breeds.
         
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        08-01-2012, 02:41 PM
      #32
    Foal
    Ohhh gotcha, sorry I misunderstood, or misread! :p
         
        08-01-2012, 02:41 PM
      #33
    Trained
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by colocityboy    
    Did you also train the horse to equally respect the dog?

    If so may I ask how? That's one of the reasons I joined. A friend and I will likely share a home out in the sticks and would like peaceful co existence not worried about my two therapy dogs. Advise please?
    Horses tend to get used to dogs and pretty much accept them just so long as the dogs do not harass them. My dogs respect the horses because at some point in their lives, they just have to try to chase them. The horses respond by kicking the dog, and the dog learns not to do it again. My horses will chase a dog that is loose in their pasture. The dog learns not to get in the pasture as a result.

    They will not bother a dog while I am riding unless I turn them toward the dog or unless the dog is right on their heels. My mare tends to get irritated with my dog, but she respects me. I pull back on the reins if she tries to attack my own dog and she stops. Several gentle corrections and she ignores the dog.

    If someone's dog nips her heels, nature will take its course and the dog will get the education it needs. A dog getting kicked, chased, or otherwise picked on by a horse can save that dog's life because he won't bother horses again.

    I would think that your own dogs will get kicked once and then their good sense will kick in and they will be careful.
         
        08-01-2012, 02:49 PM
      #34
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Celeste    
    Horses tend to get used to dogs and pretty much accept them just so long as the dogs do not harass them. My dogs respect the horses because at some point in their lives, they just have to try to chase them. The horses respond by kicking the dog, and the dog learns not to do it again. My horses will chase a dog that is loose in their pasture. The dog learns not to get in the pasture as a result.

    They will not bother a dog while I am riding unless I turn them toward the dog or unless the dog is right on their heels. My mare tends to get irritated with my dog, but she respects me. I pull back on the reins if she tries to attack my own dog and she stops. Several gentle corrections and she ignores the dog.

    If someone's dog nips her heels, nature will take its course and the dog will get the education it needs. A dog getting kicked, chased, or otherwise picked on by a horse can save that dog's life because he won't bother horses again.

    I would think that your own dogs will get kicked once and then their good sense will kick in and they will be careful.
    That's exactly right! You try to train them not too, but they will defy you just once. And that's all it'll take for them to get stepped on, nipped, or kicked. And they sure as hell won't be doing it again.
         
        08-01-2012, 02:50 PM
      #35
    Trained
    Right. The horse does the training.
         
        08-01-2012, 03:03 PM
      #36
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Randella    
    My dog is a mix, and it's funny that you say you don't use Great Pyrenees often, as he is half Great Pyrenees! Lol he's crossed with a Boarder Collie.

    I've had him since he was 8 weeks old, and basically, I started bringing him out into the barn, and around the horses as often as I could. My horse LOVES anything small (kids, dogs, cats, etc), so he immediately struck up a liking for the dog. And with time, they both learned to respect each other (there was one incident with a tail that got stepped on, but it was the the hair on the tip, so no real harm occurred, and it was a good learning experience for them both).

    Since I was outside so much, I used a longer leash (12 or 16ft) that I looped around my waist and clipped to the dog, so he would learn to follow me, pay attention and respect my space when I'm on the ground. I did it mostly while I was mucking stalls, or doing outside chores that didn't involve the horses. Once he grew up a little, I introduced a shorter leash (6ft), that I looped around my waist, so the dog had to stay right by my side while I was working with the horses (grooming, and leading them mostly).

    When I was away from the barn, I worked with a professional trainer to get voice commands down perfectly (Sit, Stay, Come, Speak, Go Home, Lay Down, Heel, etc).

    We took him out on his first trail when he was 2.5 years old, with a couple of very laid back, bombproof hack horses. We rode around an area that he knew (about 3km of trail), and brought him back a very happy, tired puppy!

    He's 5 now, and still accompanies me on trails. We've also (because of the collie breed in him) got him herding horses now. We only use it in emergencies (horse's get out, etc), but it sure is handy.

    Hope this helps!
    Hello again,

    Thank you kindly for the reply. Its useful however the animals will all be adults and as such was interested in teaching horse to respect the dogs. I train as a hobby, the certification was merely an extension I felt gave more credibility. I can out train many forms of aggression or predator out of a dog using non treat reward training with praise or. Mix of verbal/physical discipline. Depends on how independent or head strong the dog is, which depends on the owner and how strong his leadership position is in other dogs mind.

    I tend to shy away from a treat bases training regiment as its merely the distraction vs the treat.....and a strong distraction will win 9 out of 10 times. As a result its far better to use treats after the ground works played down as absolute law for the dog. First and best is proper leash manners, without that all other training will be difficult, kudos to you for knowing this and trading with it.

    How can you train the horse to fully respect the dogs in return? Help?
         
        08-01-2012, 03:12 PM
      #37
    Foal
    Sounds dangerous and your horse may kill your of if he's not paying attention or is caught by surprise. That's not trading your horse to respect the dog one bit, its asking one to be injured.

    I don't wan that. Its obvious your """training"""" methology is flawed. You don't care bout the dog being injured or killed where as I do. This was a question of training the HORSE to respect the dog as the dog is trained the same. Typical horse owner response. One kick at the right place will kill the dog. I don't agree with you not caring but respect I couldn't change it.

    Thank you for the input however.
         
        08-01-2012, 03:17 PM
      #38
    Foal
    Well, it depends on the horse.

    Mostly it's getting both animals to understand, and recognize the body language, and behaviour of the other.

    I don't have much other advice because my horses have always been used to dogs. None of them seem to have an issue. Basically from what I've seen, as long as the horse doesn't feel threatened, they don't really care.
         
        08-01-2012, 03:27 PM
      #39
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by colocityboy    
    Sounds dangerous and your horse may kill your of if he's not paying attention or is caught by surprise. That's not trading your horse to respect the dog one bit, its asking one to be injured.

    I don't wan that. Its obvious your """training"""" methology is flawed. You don't care bout the dog being injured or killed where as I do. This was a question of training the HORSE to respect the dog as the dog is trained the same. Typical horse owner response. One kick at the right place will kill the dog. I don't agree with you not caring but respect I couldn't change it.

    Thank you for the input however.
    A dog can just as easily hurt a horse. I'm not saying let the horse and dog go into an all out brawl, but a lesson learned is much more likely to be remembered.

    Besides, if the answer above was a "Typical horse owner response", what does that make you?

    You're on a horse forum, what were you expecting as a response?
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        08-01-2012, 03:35 PM
      #40
    Foal
    Expecting not to advise allowing the dog to be hurt or killed to train the dog ot to bother the horse. That's already done. Short of allowing the dog possible death or life long crippling injuries I can assure you there are other training methods. I assume you go through dogs like boots and toss them with thee same remorse if you take that method of training. (That was more sarcasm, but that method is begging to Ind your dog dead at some point, even unjustified since you didn't try to train the horse against such things. A strange dog is on thing but your own?)

    I want advise on how to train the horse to mutaully respect the dog to avoid your type of advise coming about.

    Thank you.
         

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