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  • How to train horses and dogs to tolerate each other
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    08-01-2012, 02:37 PM
  #41
Foal
PS the dogs are stock animal friendly, including horses. Short of pack mentality over riding training they will not hassle other horse. But I will not tolorate the reversed either. Advise?
     
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    08-01-2012, 02:48 PM
  #42
Foal
Actually, the dog I trained as outlined above is my second dog, ever, and I'm only mid 20's. But thanks for informing me I'm a terrible animal owner, despite the fact that you know basically nothing about me. And you do know what people say about assuming things, right? ;)

ONCE AGAIN - a dog can just as easily hurt, or kill a horse. I've seen horses with paralysis in their faces because of dog bites, which inhibits their breathing and eating therefore making nearly every aspect of life for that horse more difficult.

I'm not telling you to let the dog die, or get seriously hurt. Like I said, most horses don't mind dogs, as long as they're not bothering them. Horses are generally very peaceful animals, that will more than likely run away when pestered. But they will sometimes choose to fight.

There is no way to "train" a horse and dog to respect each other without exposure to each other. Exposure means you need to have the animals together. Which in turn means, there will more than likely be an incident or two from which both animals will learn.

It doesn't seem like you have much experience with horses, so maybe you should attempt to learn more about horses before you try and go mixing the two animals.

Also, it's spelled A-D-V-I-C-E :)
     
    08-01-2012, 02:56 PM
  #43
Foal
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Originally Posted by colocityboy    
PS the dogs are stock animal friendly, including horses. Short of pack mentality over riding training they will not hassle other horse. But I will not tolorate the reversed either. Advise?



Not true at all. All of my neighbors have dogs. Loose dogs. Loose dogs that bark and growl and approach, chase in some cases, my horses when I'm riding down the road. My horses are trained to trust me and go forward, even when their instinct might tell them to run away and get the hell out of there.. Barking, growling dog = threat.


However, as a reasonable person, I understand that my horse and I are near their turf. I understand that dogs often protect what's theirs.. Which is why I ask my horse to go forward and ignore the dog. Until they become a threat. Then, as far as most horses are concerned, its fight or flight and frankly, where an aggressive dog is concerned, I'd rather have a horse inclined to go after it than run away.


I don't know if you've ever been on a runaway horse, but it is dangerous. If a horse feels its life is threatened, no amount of one-rein stops will stop it. When a dog is in the thrill of the chase, it probably won't stop either.

My dogs (that I love) leave my horses alone and my horses leave my dogs alone. Do they respect each other? No.. My horses just accept them and my dogs have learned to stay out of the way. My horses accept other dogs because I expect that of them when I'm handling them. Many other dogs haven't learned to stay out of the way.


I ride by my neighbors' places probably 4 or 5 days out of the week.. For the last 10 years (granted most have had new dogs since then, through no fault of my horses). Their dogs still come to the road and approach my horses. I will continue to chase them off when they come too close until their dogs are either trained (by the owners) to respect horses or trained (by me and my horse) to stay out of the way.

ETA; I have never had a dog of mine killed by a horse. I've also never had a horse of mine injured by my own dog. I do have enough sense to realize that most dogs are not used to having horses around.. So some "bad" behavior is to be expected really. However, no matter how many times I chase my neighbors dogs down, their dogs are still agressive and approach my horses. I think it probably will come down to the dog getting scared enough to leave them alone, which might mean they stepped on, but really, what's the alternative? I'm not about to start avoiding riding where there might be dogs.
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    08-01-2012, 02:58 PM
  #44
Foal
Thus why I'm here. And that training method is still begging for a dead dog. Idont want either encounter of that sort. Still sounds like zero effort is being done on the horses side to correct the negative action on that part. The dogs are trained.

Why is there appearing to be no effort on the part regarding the horse? None mentioned and that's my greater concern. I'd nver allow my dogs to cause harm to any horse. I'd the thee thought of it short of them defending themselves, but that's a two way street.

Sry. On a tablet at work.
     
    08-01-2012, 03:17 PM
  #45
Foal
Your dogs may not confront horses, but I've yet to see a dog that doesn't come to the road, bark, and growl at my horses in the area I ride. My horses and I are doing nothing except passing through and this is how it has always been. My horses do not chase down the dogs until I give them the rein to do so. Why would I even think of attempting my horse to respect a barking, growling, and chasing predator? My horses are trained to ignore the dog and keep going forward until I give them leave to do otherwise. And I give that when the dog gets too close.

What is the horse doing wrong? Nothing. What is the dog doing wrong? Approaching the horse with aggressive behavior.

Most horses will choose flight over fight where an aggressive dog is concerned. There are exceptions, but I've personally never ridden a horse that didn't initially bunch up and prepare to run away from a dog that was barking. It takes good training to keep a horse going forward and away from an aggressive dog at a controlled pace.
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    08-01-2012, 03:19 PM
  #46
Weanling
I ride with a can of wasp spray in my pommel bag. Sprays a long ways.
     
    08-01-2012, 03:20 PM
  #47
Foal
If your dogs do not confront horses, then with the average horse you will have nothing to worry about. Horses typically won't approach an animal with aggressive behavior if they're not being threatened and they feel that fight is their only option. They generally prefer flight where predators are concerned.
     
    08-01-2012, 03:23 PM
  #48
Foal
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Originally Posted by ridesapaintedpony    
I ride with a can of wasp spray in my pommel bag. Sprays a long ways.
The only thing I'd worry about is getting your horse or yourself? I've considered doing this as well, but the fact that my horse might turn into it or something keeps me from doing so.. Have you ever had to use it?
     
    08-01-2012, 03:27 PM
  #49
Trained
If you leave your dogs unleashed, and they go into a horse pasture, they might get hurt. My horses are used to dogs, and they are unlikely to kill them. Their pasture is their home, and they should be able to live there unharassed. If the dog cannot leave them alone, then the dog will get kicked.

I love my dog. She will not try to chase the horses, and it is probably because she got kicked in the past.

Are you advocating allowing the dogs to run free all around the horse pasture and expect the horses not to bother them? That goes against their instincts. Just how do you plan to take that instinct away? And why would you want to? They have to stay safe.

I once had a neighbor that allowed her dog to run loose, and he attacked and almost killed one of my foals. If it were not for the instinct of the other horses to protect that baby from the dog, she would not be alive now.

If you are worried about your dog, put a leash on him. My dog is pretty cool with life in the country.
     
    08-01-2012, 03:30 PM
  #50
Trained
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Originally Posted by colocityboy    
Thus why I'm here. And that training method is still begging for a dead dog. Idont want either encounter of that sort. Still sounds like zero effort is being done on the horses side to correct the negative action on that part. The dogs are trained.

Why is there appearing to be no effort on the part regarding the horse? None mentioned and that's my greater concern. I'd nver allow my dogs to cause harm to any horse. I'd the thee thought of it short of them defending themselves, but that's a two way street.

Sry. On a tablet at work.
You can't train a loose horse in a pasture to tolerate being chased by a dog. It is not possible. It is not desirable. It goes against the very instincts that are there to help horses survive.
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