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post #11 of 80 Old 04-09-2012, 10:29 AM
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If you can get your hands on an e collar, that would be better.

If she is dog or people agressive, or is very afraid of things you might encounter on the trails, no, don't do it. Her leash skills must be very good, and she has to be listeming to you as well.

Your horse has to be absolutely 100% good with ropes around its body, including the legs. If there is a chance your horse would panic with a rope, don't do it. Dogs, especially puppies, can easily get distracted and run to chase the rabbit etc, in a split second your horse has a leash wrapped under it belly, or around its legs.

I occasionally use a leash for very specific situations(crossing a road, agressive dogs) but for the most part she is off leash, wearing an e collar, just incase she needs correction. When she is on a leash, she walks by my horses side, with a relitively short leash. My dog is not dog or people agressive and has a very good recall.
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I'll tell you my own experience with doing the above.... and why I would never do it again.

My puppy was doing well on the ground with commands, but like you I wasn't sure if she was ready to listen when I was up on a horse and wanted to be 100% sure. I tested to rope with and all around my horse, I practiced tossing the rope over his head/rump if the puppy decided to change sides and he wasn't fazed at all.

We went on the trail ride and it went great... The puppy was staying with us, the horse was tolerating the rope and I kept it tight enough the puppy couldn't get herself too mixed up without hitting his feet.

When we got back to the barn however... we were walking the long road to the barn when two barn dogs came running up to play with my puppy. My dog was a little timid around other dogs and two full grown dogs running scared her, so she ran away and they chased. It happened before I could drop the lead rope, but she wrapped herself around all four legs of my horse so tight she was RIGHT next to all of his hooves. The poor horse had all his legs tied together and wasn't even acting worried, but because of the rope pulling he took one step and she was so close to his hooves he landed on her paw.

It was the worst moment ever, she cried SO loudly I thought her leg was broken! (I still give props to that horse, who even being tied up, having me hop off and abandon him for the screaming puppy while two dogs ran amok he just sat and watched) Luckily since she was a puppy her bones were 'flexible' and the vet said she only had a fracture at most, but it was still a terrifying experience for all involved (my puppy took the pain and related it to the dogs, not the horse and was very skittish around dogs for a while after that)

If I were to do it again... I wouldn't. I ended up buying a vibrating e-collar that I trained her with on the ground, and then transferred to the horse so she wouldn't learn to 'get away' with things when I was unable to actually get her.
never thought of the vibrate collar.../i should look into that...
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If you can get your hands on an e collar, that would be better.

If she is dog or people agressive, or is very afraid of things you might encounter on the trails, no, don't do it. Her leash skills must be very good, and she has to be listeming to you as well.

Your horse has to be absolutely 100% good with ropes around its body, including the legs. If there is a chance your horse would panic with a rope, don't do it. Dogs, especially puppies, can easily get distracted and run to chase the rabbit etc, in a split second your horse has a leash wrapped under it belly, or around its legs.

I occasionally use a leash for very specific situations(crossing a road, agressive dogs) but for the most part she is off leash, wearing an e collar, just incase she needs correction. When she is on a leash, she walks by my horses side, with a relitively short leash. My dog is not dog or people agressive and has a very good recall.
not aggressive just unsure...she is still undergoing her socializing ...she is only 4.5 months so she has alot of learning to do.. but I like the collar idea...just don't know the effect that will have on a puppy...dont want to cause damage
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never thought of the vibrate collar.../i should look into that...
I LOVE the vibrating collar. I didn't want to go with a shock collar as I didn't have a lot of experience at the time with them, and I know they can cause a LOT of damage if improperly introduced.

With the vibrating collar, it was more of a way to get her attention if she started to get distracted by a squirrel/etc. I did have to train her with it on the ground first so she knew what it meant. Now I don't have to use the collar at all. If we go weeks without a trail ride, I'll put it on just in case, but otherwise she does just fine and we cross busy-ish roads, cars, other dogs and hikers on occasion.

Training to 'heel' on a horse is very beneficial as well. My dog can walk beside or behind (for narrow trails) when asked, which gives her a 'job' to do if we pass another person, are on a road and a car is passing us, etc.
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The harness is a good idea. To get her trained off leash I'd just keep her off. Mine hardly know what a leash is.

Since she's a border you already have a smart puppy! I "gasp" train mine. Start with something she knows is off limits, when she approaches it take a sharp breath in like a small gasp. She should back off and come to you. All of mine are started this way to get them listening to me. This way I never have to yell or talk to them. Then I follow it up with hand motions. Dropped hand which is natural means I'm comfortable and they can walk with me. Hand lifted at the wrist means listen to me, command coming. Bent arm with hand up means stop and stay. If they start to wander I take a sharp breath and they stop and look, most often they hit the ground! LOL!

The only loud verbal commands I use is a deep "here" for come and the only time they are allowed to free roam is when I holler "rabbits!!!" then they get to run around and hunt and act silly!

Yesterday I was talking to my kid and pulled out her 100% spelling test, I gasped and said GOOD JOB! Well, when I gasped my three sleeping dogs jumped three feet in the air and came running from across the room! I have to be careful watching movies too because if I gasp at something they freak out and come running trying to protect me from the big bad tv! LOL!
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any ideas on how to start her training to stay right next to horse without rope/leash??
None. I've never had a dog.

Do the parks you ride on required dogs be leashed?
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Can see lots of potential for trouble here. Will the dog always be on a leash or are you intending to eventually let it free? First thing I thought of was dog tangling up the horse's legs and getting you a free meeting with the ground! Let me add that I have taken my dog out on trails with my horse BUT my dog was extremely obedient. I didn't take her on a leash because she listened so well so that part is out of my experience. I have seen someone ride their horse with their Doberman on a leash but I have no idea how they trained it or how it worked out.

Next thing I thought was brought up by someone else here, other dogs approaching your dog and possibly causing a problem that way. And how about being on trail with other riders and having your dog unintentionally(however well trained and behaved) cause a problem for someone else's horse? I'm sure that this is not what you intend to happen but it is a possibility.

I've ridden with my dog years ago when the trails I rode were less used. I also went alone when I did this. There weren't very many other people, riders, dogs, etc. Would I do it again now? No. Where I go there are just too many things that could cause a problem. Do I want to go riding with someone who brings their dog along too, not really. I have enough trouble focusing on my own riding to have to watch out for someone else's dog.

I'm sure you'll consider all sides to this question, these are just my own thoughts on it so please take it as such and not as if I am condemning you for considering it because that is not my intention.
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The harness is a good idea. To get her trained off leash I'd just keep her off. Mine hardly know what a leash is.

Since she's a border you already have a smart puppy! I "gasp" train mine. Start with something she knows is off limits, when she approaches it take a sharp breath in like a small gasp. She should back off and come to you. All of mine are started this way to get them listening to me. This way I never have to yell or talk to them. Then I follow it up with hand motions. Dropped hand which is natural means I'm comfortable and they can walk with me. Hand lifted at the wrist means listen to me, command coming. Bent arm with hand up means stop and stay. If they start to wander I take a sharp breath and they stop and look, most often they hit the ground! LOL!

The only loud verbal commands I use is a deep "here" for come and the only time they are allowed to free roam is when I holler "rabbits!!!" then they get to run around and hunt and act silly!

Yesterday I was talking to my kid and pulled out her 100% spelling test, I gasped and said GOOD JOB! Well, when I gasped my three sleeping dogs jumped three feet in the air and came running from across the room! I have to be careful watching movies too because if I gasp at something they freak out and come running trying to protect me from the big bad tv! LOL!

Haha flygap I guess I am already on the right track to this gasping training lol... I make any type of deep breath and she comes running lol

I like the rabbits command lol..will have to work that into the program :)
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None. I've never had a dog.

Do the parks you ride on required dogs be leashed?
techincally yes they need to be leashed, but rarely anyone has there dog leashed... and that alone scares me in keeping mine leashed...lol to many other people to cause problems lol
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Can see lots of potential for trouble here. Will the dog always be on a leash or are you intending to eventually let it free? First thing I thought of was dog tangling up the horse's legs and getting you a free meeting with the ground! Let me add that I have taken my dog out on trails with my horse BUT my dog was extremely obedient. I didn't take her on a leash because she listened so well so that part is out of my experience. I have seen someone ride their horse with their Doberman on a leash but I have no idea how they trained it or how it worked out.

Next thing I thought was brought up by someone else here, other dogs approaching your dog and possibly causing a problem that way. And how about being on trail with other riders and having your dog unintentionally(however well trained and behaved) cause a problem for someone else's horse? I'm sure that this is not what you intend to happen but it is a possibility.

I've ridden with my dog years ago when the trails I rode were less used. I also went alone when I did this. There weren't very many other people, riders, dogs, etc. Would I do it again now? No. Where I go there are just too many things that could cause a problem. Do I want to go riding with someone who brings their dog along too, not really. I have enough trouble focusing on my own riding to have to watch out for someone else's dog.

I'm sure you'll consider all sides to this question, these are just my own thoughts on it so please take it as such and not as if I am condemning you for considering it because that is not my intention.
haha mypets don't worry I am trying to get all pros and cons to this situtation... eventually she will be off leash while riding but that wont be until she is 100% trained. The leash I figured would be the training tool to link me to her for correction. However someone here mentioned vibrate collar which would help inthat manner.

But other people and there dogs is my concern. My horse is fine with dogs until they get up in his face and try to bite him... he will retailate as he has more fight then flight instincts... so if any dogs came running at my puppy that means they are running towards my horse and once he sees that he will charge them without hestiation. Which is another reason I don't want her on leash in the case she freaks and runs backwards more than likely my horse willpush to attack the animal coming at us.

But I am leaning to just continue training her on ground and riding around farm with puppy until I have her 100% . Another thing you mentioned someone riding with a doberman on a leash... I bet the extra height of that dog helped so it wouldnt get tangled under horse as much lol... a beagle sized dog will be screwed hahaha
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