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post #11 of 56 Old 05-20-2013, 07:04 PM
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@Jamesqf; She may actually. I'm very confident with the creek and slope though, I've been through it on other horses and know there isn't any threatening danger of going down it.
OK, I must have misunderstood what you wrote about hating going down the slope.

Also, though I'm far from being an expert, I wouldn't think that a week and a half would be long enough to really build trust between horse & rider.
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post #12 of 56 Old 05-20-2013, 08:27 PM
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@CowboyBob; I have had Jane for a week and a half. I've done groundwork, free lounging and did a couple 'bombproofing' sessions. As I've said I've put a trash bag over her head, and she's done everything else I've asked of her. Also never once did I say she was "'great' at everything else". Do not quote what has not been said, please. And the 'one problem I have had with her' is of course an exaggeration. It's just the one problem I have not been able to solve or figure out how to solve so far, I come to this horse forum with a humbled mind and to get help. I do not come to be talked down to and to have people imply I'm a total idiot.

(CowboyBob; ever think that the horse may have been abused in/around water so associates water with pain?)

I am sorry, I did not mean to imply you are a total idiot (I was not trying to imply anything), I did not mean to come across as though I was talking down to you, I did not mean to act like a jerk. I only used to word the great to some-up all good things she is. Not to say she is bad or anything it was just easier to write great then to spell out everything. The (it's madding isn't it) was me saying I have been there I understand. How is it a horse that will walk through water on its own won't do it while being ridden. I am sorry.

Its hard to give advice to someone you have never meet, about a horse you have never seen, with very little information. Knowing that the person you are talking to is likely to go home and try the thing you advised them on. At times makes me nerves, I use capital letters and bold to add to the words and thoughts that I would verbalize different if I was talking to you not just typing. Reading what someone typed is hard to know the true intentions and feelings behind the words and leads people to have to assume tone and inflection.

I am sorry I did not express myself.

PS. To any administrators If you feel, I was offensive please remove my post from this thread, and send me a private message. Again I am sorry, I did not mean to cause any trouble.


PSS. "(CowboyBob; ever think that the horse may have been abused in/around water so associates water with pain?)"

I did not respond to this as I don't know If my advice is welcome at this time.
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post #13 of 56 Old 05-20-2013, 08:56 PM
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@trailhorserider; it was a good reply, I just couldn't help but feel a bad attitude as I read it. Especially with all the 'quotes', caps, bold text and '(it's maddening isn't it?)'. Others, like yourself, manage to get their opinion out without ticking the person you are trying to explain your opinion to off. And yes I totally agree about our relationship, I just asked about it because I didn't have any idea to help work it out and I didn't want to ruin her. She's such a wonderful horse so I'm trying to be as careful as I can when training her. I'm going to try another creek to see if she'll cross it later on in the week.

I mean personally, it ticks me off that my horse will cross a creek going out, but refuses to cross it coming back. Most horses are the opposite.

It also ticks me off that I can't ride him through a mud puddle, but you put a four year old on him and he walks right into it.

So yeah, maddening is the perfect descriptor. Causes me to break out in fits of four letter words.
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post #14 of 56 Old 05-20-2013, 08:57 PM
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Nice words, CowboyBob.
Often it is difficult to reply to a post because we usually have limited information. Often we don't know the experience of the poster nor the training of the horse, etc. It's hard to get it right. I certainly have run into that.
But there is a lot of good info here from horsemen and horsewomen who have faced and solved so many of the issues we all face.
I want to work on water crossing next month. I'll take dry shoes in case I need to walk. Hope I won't need a change of clothes, too!
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post #15 of 56 Old 05-20-2013, 09:23 PM
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Maddening. The only way it would be worse is if he stuck his tongue out as I snapped this picture.

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@CowboyBob. Thank you for explaining your intentions. I'm sorry I mistook your words as rudeness. I'm very used to a lot of horse people telling me how to ride/work my horse in a horrible manner. Next time just get to the point, without really assuming anything, ask questions if you need to know more about the horse or rider. And the horses being scared of water because of past abuse was a response to when you said water is not the problem.

@jamesqf; The slope is safe to go down, but it's not very appealing if that makes sense...And no, normally a week and half is not enough time to build a good strong bond between horse and rider. I never claimed to have this bond, but she's very trusting in every rider as long as they are confident in what they are asking her to do.
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post #17 of 56 Old 05-20-2013, 10:33 PM
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OP, I wonder if it has perhaps occurred to you that maybe, the water is indeed not the issue here?

My 2yo Thoroughbred filly isn't a big fan of water, but her REAL challenge is slopes! She grew up on a farm that was really hilly so she IS used to them and will lead up and down them no issues but my property is very flat and I don't have a good long gentle hill to ride her up and down. Hence, when we go out on trails, we have issues getting down certain trails, because a few of them have small but steep hills, and others have ditches that need crossing [wide ones thankfully]. I broke her to ride on this property and so, as young and inexperienced as she is, I'm almost certain that what's going through her head is as follows: "Seriously? I'm not quite sure what to do with your weight on the FLAT yet, you want me to go up and down HILLS?"

Have you taken this horse down a slope of a similar grade with no water at the bottom? How about water with a flat approach?

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CowboyBob, I thought you offered some very good advice and I hope the OP's initial response doesn't deter you from posting in the future. You never know who will be reading these posts and the information you share could come in very handy to someone else, despite how others respond.
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@blue eyed pony; I have considered either to be the problem. CowboyBob seemed to believe that water could never be the problem, which is why I offered the chance that horse associates water with pain in the case of past abuse. I never said the slope wasn't the problem, the creek was the problem or anything. I actually said in my first post that I doubt water is the problem... I haven't taken her down any slopes like the ones I described, minus the water, yet. As I've said there is another creek which I will try to take her through later on in the week.
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post #20 of 56 Old 05-21-2013, 12:25 AM
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Whoa... defensive much?

In actual fact water in and of itself CAN be "the problem". Some horses will flat out refuse to go near it. Running water in particular is incredibly challenging. My gelding LOVES water but to take him to the beach you wouldn't think it... he's so hard to get in. It's the waves. He does NOT like moving water.

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