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        01-06-2011, 08:23 PM
      #11
    QOS
    Green Broke
    The young lady had another horse until recently, a paint that was good as gold but certainly not in this horses league as far as looks, build, breeding, etc. This gelding is drop dead gorgeous.

    I know very little about him except for the 2 times I have been around him. Hubby and I tried to help her get him in the trailer a few weeks ago - when he doesn't get his way he rears up.

    He knows who is boss and it isn't his young rider. As far as I know she is an ok rider - when the horse is behaving like a lot of people are! I know that she wants to keep the horse and send him to a trainer - I think he needs miles and miles and miles with a very confident, skilled rider that he can't buffalo. But this horse gets nasty when he doesn't get his own way and I don't think he is the right horse for her. I have just never seen one walk away from other horses when the rider was trying to insist he stay. He was rearing up, pawing the air. I just though that was a little bizarre considering NOTHING happened to scare or startle him.

    I considered the tack hurting myself. I thought his saddle looked crooked on him. How knows? We are going riding Saturday but I don't think she is going. Quiet frankly, I am a less than confident rider myself and I don't want to ride with him!! LOL I don't want to get dumped in the event that he cranks it up and goes bananas.
         
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        01-11-2011, 01:45 PM
      #12
    Foal
    How old is the horse I had the exact problem with my home bred ,i asked a heavy weight friend to ride him out a couple of times with me that cured him ,as for getting him to load has she tried a chiffney bit .after once using one on my horse I only had to show it him.
         
        01-11-2011, 01:58 PM
      #13
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by QOS    
    Cousin said that they did take this horse out ONCE last year and he did the same thing near the same place. .
    Sounds like this is part of the issue. Something happened here before and the horse has not forgotten about it. Add to that the fact that he hasn't been out in a year, and has no leadership from the young girl, it isn't surprising he wanted to turn around and go back to his safety zone.
         
        01-11-2011, 04:58 PM
      #14
    QOS
    Green Broke
    That could be a large part of it. I think he does well in an arena and from what I can see - she is way over horsed. I think he needs a very firm hand from a very confident rider and she isn't it. I don't know if taking him to a trainer would help - I think he'd be the same with her.
         
        01-12-2011, 11:54 PM
      #15
    Weanling
    Sometimes when a horse behaves like that it's not them being bad or stubborn at all. The horse might be terrified, maybe more terrified than the rider. If the horse does not have experience being loaded and trailered and taken on a trail ride it might have been the most frightening thing in his whole life. Some horses have been isolated from other horses and are social misfits. When they go out with a strange herd they not only do not trust the other horses, they sometimes feel they have to defend themselves (by kicking out). I bought a horse that had very limited social interaction with other horses and she kicked out when others came near her for the first year. She was frightened when other horses got too close to her. She would have been happy to run away from the strangers if I had let her.
    Some horses seem to view being with strange horses the way you would view being dropped off in a dark alley with four or five strangers. Are you going to feel safe just because they're people?
    I would say that a horse that rears when being loaded in a trailer could be asserting its will. OR, more likely, it hasn't been trained to load at all and is frightened to be forced into a small, dark box. Trailering is not natural for a horse at all.
    An insecure horse needs a very confident rider that offers security with all of their body language.
    I'm not saying this is definitely the case, but I think people often blame horses instead of seeing things from their perspective.
    This horse is probably wrong for his owner though, unless the owner really wants to slowly bring the horse along and start by riding in situations where they are both comfortable. It sounds like too much, too soon to me.
         
        01-13-2011, 12:25 AM
      #16
    QOS
    Green Broke
    Thanks Gottatrot. Those are valid points but I do not know the horse well so don't know it that is the problem. The young lady always rode her other horse (mostly because she couldn't get this horse to load!) and I think he has been mostly an arena horse. From what I understand, whoever she bought him from had a trainer work with him but was a little afraid of him. She told me he was wonderful under saddle in the arena.

    He is stunningly beautiful. Solid mahogany bay gelding that is build out of this world. I hope that she can turn him around or rehome him to someone who will be able to control him. Uncontrollable horses sometimes end up in bad situations and that would be a shame.
         

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