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post #41 of 69 Old 01-07-2011, 06:25 PM
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This problem of crushed tackle is not confined to the novice male rider.

I have asked several knowledegable female riding instructors as to how to put a horse 'on the bit' so as to encourage the horse to take up a rounded outline.

After many attempts to ride my mare in the modern classical style, I have decided that the only way forward is to submit myself for castration - or buy a sturdy hairy cob with a short neck which has absolutely no pretension for dressage.
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post #42 of 69 Old 01-07-2011, 09:43 PM
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Here is a quote from the Internet:

The Chair seat can also be referred to as the Two-Point Seat. This can simply be translated into sitting on the two seat bones. The two seat bones are the two points. The Three-Point Seat composes part of the classical seat. The third point is the inferior pubic arch, i.e. the fork or crotch. The three point seat forms a triangular base for the seat. When the rider is sitting on all three points, the pelvis will gain natural support that will hold it in the correct position. Only be sitting exactly in the middle of the saddle on all three points of the base of the pelvis can a rider open his legs and mould his thighs around the horse."

The Art of Classical Riding--Achieving the Seat

Now, maybe I'm misunderstanding that...but I do NOT want my crotch to be part of my '3 points' of support - and I'm in my 50s, and don't want any more kids!

I thought about this post as I was riding today. I had moved my feet forward a bit in the stirrup and with the stirrups one hole shorter than I otherwise would, deliberately trying to ride with the dreaded 'chair seat'. It allows the thighs to provide a bit more forward support around the crotch - not a lot, but an inch or two can help.

I don't want my thighs hanging down, molded to the horse's side. I want them slightly forward, and at a trot I put some pressure into the stirrups to help absorb some of the shock. When my horse is smooth, that is enough to let me look like I'm just sitting. As she speeds up and gets choppier, her motion tends to push me more out of the seat. So I provide a bit of forward/back motion, and the combination is 'posting', although I don't see any reason for my seat to go way above the saddle.

I'm an inexperienced rider, and don't want to lecture anyone on their seat. However, I think a 'chair seat' is common because it works for what many need to do. I'm talking inches here: the heel of my boot roughly aligned with my belly, or at least where my belly would be if I hadn't 'prospered' during the last 30 years....and from playing around with it today, I think that also provides more protection to that part of a man's anatomy. It seems like common sense to me - the more the rider's thighs hang straight down, the more exposed the crotch is to the saddle seat, and the more pounding occurs.

I'm not competent enough to give a lot of advice, but I am a male and just sitting here typing, if I drape my legs down around the corner of the chair, it makes me more vulnerable than if I move my legs forward.
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I see what you are saying. Ok hmm I'll have him try a couple things. I forgot to take a picture of the saddle but it does look like an evil pommel. Not horrible but if he is riding on his crotch it's gonna hurt. I'll watch his position a bit and try to fix it.
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post #44 of 69 Old 01-08-2011, 05:03 AM
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If a young woman wants to take her boyfriend riding, then find him a western saddle or an Australian working saddle with a flat seat and deep knee rolls. Adjust his stirrup leathers so that he can stand in the stirrups and leave at least an inch between him and the saddle.
Use an English bridle set with buckled reins and preferably a gentle snaffle bit.

You'll need a quiet docile broad backed cold blooded horse over which you will have some control by voice from the back of your own horse. Take along a friend along but there should be no more than three of you.

Avoid trotting, - or tell the boyfriend to stand in the stirrups - preferably teach the horse to lope.
Tell him to hold the reins loose and show him how to neck rein. (Otherwise he'll jerk the horse's mouth)
Tell him to wrap his legs around the horse.
At canter tell him to lift up and lean forwards so his weight is over the horse's centre of gravity.
Tell him to follow you at all times - don't allow his horse to come alongside.
Fit him with a riding hat and, if you have one, a broad elasticated belt support.
Find him a set of gloves.
Look for a a set of English tight stretch breeches - jeans have the seams in the wrong place.

Sort out the route for the ride ie no roads, no traffic, no barking dogs.
Don't worry about his riding style and don't nag.
Don't lose your cool, or shout or show concern in your voice.
Keep telling him he is doing fine even if he looks like a sack of potatoes.

Remember he won't be able to tolerate more than an hour in the saddle.
He hasn't got the necessary muscles, his butt will be soft, as will the underside of his thighs. He'll grip with his knees until they are sore and he will be as tense as a drum. His lower back will ache and for a few minutes after he has got off after the ride he won't be able to stand up straight.

There's a fair chance that the horse will decide to throw him off - or, if it has draft horse blood, of refusing to go forwards but don't give him a whip.
Don't assume that a horse which is docile for you will be docile for him

He'll either love it or hate it and you'll know within half an hour.

If he hates it, he'll be looking out for a girl friend who rides motor bikes.
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post #45 of 69 Old 01-08-2011, 05:54 AM
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Just wanted to add that my husband rides, has his own horse and loves to trot, canter and has no problem. He does wear the stretchy briefs but wears baggy jeans. He sits back, ( my friend says he has a natural seat, probably from years of motocycle riding) I got him a new saddle, well padded and a nice flat seat, it was supposedly made for a woman, but the ones I saw made for men didn't look comfy for a man, went up in front I wouldn't sit in it. We have arabs and they love to move and he says he hasn't got a problem, especially since he learned to sit back into the saddle especially at a trot, he does post some(working on it anyways) but usually can sit a trot. He loves to canter even though he's still not sure of himself (riding a year) but no pain unless she scares and twists. Maybe he needs to relax back into the saddle and not sit so forward or upright, I was taught to roll back as I sit, just a suggestion.
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1st off make sure the saddle fits him. If he needs a 16" western saddle, don't squeeze him into a 14.5" saddle.

His problem is not the saddle padding. It's landing ontop and putting his body weight on them. So he needs to learn to control his bouncing. And he may occassionally just have to slip a hand down there and rearainge the parking.

I'm almost 60. Have ridden for years. I've done many endurance rides where I was in the saddle at a trot all day. I don't wear anything special for clothing. Everyday blue jeans and various underwear depending on the season. My wife doesn't ride, So I'm always finding male friends to go with me. ( my wife frowns on me taking other ladies with me) And they have worn a wide assortment of clothing, from riding tights to shorts. They ride in all kinds of western and english saddles And they have all been comfortable in their respective gear.

I believe he needs to learn how to carry himself at a trot. How not to bounce. He should learn where to park his package when he gets in the saddle so it doesn't become weight bearing as he rides.

Maybe he shouldn't dress so warm, lighter clothing so that he gets a chill and experiences some shrinkage.
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Perhaps dumping a bucket of ice water in his lap before riding would help with the shrinkage and make life more comfortable in the saddle? ROFLMAO

Otherwise, I'm learning a lot of good stuff from this thread. I'll try rolling back in the saddle a bit more, using my thighs more, finding a smoother sitting position, putting more weight on the stirrups. All in addition to appropriate garments for proper support.

My Mrs. had done a bit of dressage and she thinks I need to sit exactly opposite of what most of the gents here are recommending. Silly girl. Not her fault though, I guess, considering.

Now I need to get out and saddle up and go for a ride!

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post #48 of 69 Old 01-08-2011, 12:04 PM
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Your Mrs thinks like a lot of lady riders who think they know best but they don't have a man's problems do they. As I wrote earlier look up the old hunting prints - that's the way to do it.
A man has to take the shocks of trotting, landing and moving over uneven ground by flexing, the toes, the ankles, the knees and the hips, so the ball of the foot must be flat on the stirrup bar. T To develop the muscles of those joints try stepping up and down a flight of stairs on the balls of the feet.
Also regularly stretch the hamstrings and the calf muscles to keep them pliable.
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So the dead broke voice command trail horse won't be in the cards until late next year if not the next. I do plan on getting one for all my not so horse savvy friends to ride. For now he will be riding caleigh and since he doesn't get out much to ride learning a position that is comfortable for him will take some time. For now we will stick to a walk and if he decides to bump up to a trot I'll just try not to laugh and say I told you so.

Now like I said before he will not cannot wear tight fitting restricting clothes. He would crawl out of his skin and have a panic attack. He can't even have the bed sheet tucked in on his side because he feels too restricted. Socks he is fine with which reminds meninneed to buy him a thick thick pair of boot socks for the cold months. His toes froze on Monday when he was at the barn.
If it doesn't snow this weekend we are going on a trail ride on Monday. He knows emergency stops and what not so he isn't afraid of caleigh taking off on him which is good. We will stick to a walk unless he decides differently. Thank you! This has all been very helpful.
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tell him to throw them over his shoulder,into a pack pack ,,no pain then
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