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  • Mountain lions sense of smell
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    08-12-2012, 03:17 PM
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The thing about pepper spray is the wind. You're likely to spray yourself, or your horse, then what's plan B?
Not only this, but wouldn't a blind mountain lion with a fantastic sense of smell be even more dangerous angry and blind? Or would they be more incliend to just run off?
     
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    08-12-2012, 03:19 PM
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You release your "bad ass" on it! LOL!




I think I need to get me a mule for trail riding.
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    08-12-2012, 03:20 PM
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned bearbangers.

For those not familiar with bearbangers, they're a noise making device similar to a shotgun shell that screws onto the end of a pen style launcher. After being fired the shell will travel 125-150ft and explode at 115dbs. I would expect bear bangers to be more effective than firing a gun, because the actual explosion occurs very close to the bear. Small, simple, cheap, and effective, I'd recommend them to anyone.

Pepper spray is a very effective deterrent; it's essential that there is no confusion over small canisters meant for protection in urban environments and bear canisters designed for use against large dangerous animals. People who are concerned about bear spray blowing back at themselves and their horse, I don't think are familiar with when its meant to be used. Bear spray is meant to be used against a charging animal at less than 25ft, it's a last ditch effort. I'll take the possibly of eye and nose irritation over inevitable teeth and claws.

Mountain lions and black bears don't scare me, but grizzly bears and moose terrify me.
     
    08-12-2012, 03:36 PM
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Not only this, but wouldn't a blind mountain lion with a fantastic sense of smell be even more dangerous angry and blind? Or would they be more incliend to just run off?
Most often the animal would run off, but it's not a guarantee. Bear spray is a very powerful and user friendly deterrent, which is why it's been repeatedly shown to be more effective overall than firearms. The only guaranteed way to stop a charging animal is to kill it.
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    08-12-2012, 04:18 PM
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I'm surprised no one has mentioned bearbangers.

For those not familiar with bearbangers, they're a noise making device similar to a shotgun shell that screws onto the end of a pen style launcher. After being fired the shell will travel 125-150ft and explode at 115dbs. I would expect bear bangers to be more effective than firing a gun, because the actual explosion occurs very close to the bear. Small, simple, cheap, and effective, I'd recommend them to anyone.

Pepper spray is a very effective deterrent; it's essential that there is no confusion over small canisters meant for protection in urban environments and bear canisters designed for use against large dangerous animals. People who are concerned about bear spray blowing back at themselves and their horse, I don't think are familiar with when its meant to be used. Bear spray is meant to be used against a charging animal at less than 25ft, it's a last ditch effort. I'll take the possibly of eye and nose irritation over inevitable teeth and claws.

Mountain lions and black bears don't scare me, but grizzly bears and moose terrify me.

While I agree pepper spray is a short range deterrent, a man with a knife can kill a man with a gun with less than 25ft between them. Bears run faster than a man so you better have that bugger out and firing before the bear hits 25 ft.
     
    08-12-2012, 05:05 PM
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Most often the animal would run off, but it's not a guarantee. Bear spray is a very powerful and user friendly deterrent, which is why it's been repeatedly shown to be more effective overall than firearms. The only guaranteed way to stop a charging animal is to kill it.
If a bear is charging, and you shoot it with a good solid shot, it may still kill you before it dies all the way.
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    08-12-2012, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyGap    
You release your "bad ass" on it! LOL!





Took me a while to find this, mom sent it to me when we moved out to the boonies and tried to convince me we needed mules and donkeys! Not for me, but this was really cool!
This is an urban legend folks! See here:

snopes.com: One Bad Mule


I can't believe the number of people who are worried about mountain lions. I would LOVE to see one in the wild. I've seen bear several times, but never a mountain lion.


There are A LOT of things you should worry about besides mountain lions, like car accidents and lightning. Lightning scares the crap out of me. But wildlife? Where's my camera?


I should also mention I was watching a TV program where they were trying to track mountain lions and putting radio collars on them. They could only tranquilize the cats in certain trees so they wouldn't fall to their death when they were drugged. How did they flush the cat from the tree so he would climb a different one? A guy would climb the tree to scare the cat out. I don't believe he was armed either. The cat would jump and run.

Mountain lions are pretty shy if you turn aggressive. I have no doubt they will track you out of curiosity, but if you turn and holler and wave your arms I can't imagine one no backing down. Especially on horseback. I would treat it like a troublesome dog.....run towards it and make it turn tail and run.
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    08-12-2012, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Darrin    
While I agree pepper spray is a short range deterrent, a man with a knife can kill a man with a gun with less than 25ft between them. Bears run faster than a man so you better have that bugger out and firing before the bear hits 25 ft.
Just a word of advice Darrin, don't bring a knife to a gun fight.....

I realize that on occasion what you're saying might be true, but I wouldn't bet on it.
     
    08-13-2012, 01:04 AM
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Don't worry about me bringing a knife to a gunfight. I'm the guy that will be sitting back at 300 yards poking holes in you with my rifle. I don't like up close and personal.

Acutally Mythbusters took this one on and it was quite interesting. In their test they had the gun holstered and it had to be pulled out, aimed and shot. Don't remember the exact distance but within 22 or 23 feet the knifeman can get that knife stuck in you. Outside that range the gunman would put a hurting on the knife wielder. I've heard for years there was a 25 foot range and Mythbusters proved that was correct.

Of course if the gun was out and aimed the knifeman wont make two steps.
     
    08-13-2012, 01:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Darrin    
While I agree pepper spray is a short range deterrent, a man with a knife can kill a man with a gun with less than 25ft between them. Bears run faster than a man so you better have that bugger out and firing before the bear hits 25 ft.
The bear spray I carry is listed as having an effective range of 25ft, the furthest I've seen is 35ft. I would have it out and prepared to fire at 100ft+, but firing too soon could be a fatal mistake. Bears are definitely much faster than any man though, probably faster than a horse on a tight trail too.

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Originally Posted by Celeste    
If a bear is charging, and you shoot it with a good solid shot, it may still kill you before it dies all the way.
Yup, it takes an exceptionally well placed shot with a pretty powerful round to stop a charging bear in its tracks. If a bear were already relatively close and an immediate threat, I would prefer bear spray to a gun, because being just an average shot, I'd probably wouldn't make it.
     

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