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        12-04-2013, 08:41 AM
      #21
    Yearling
    Sue- I got this email today, not sure what the updates will be but sounds promising:

    Thank you very much for taking the time to comment on our administrative rules. We are releasing a revised rules proposal which incorporates many of the written comments that were provided, the comments provided at the public hearings, and the meetings with groups of specific users.

    These revised rules should be up on the parks website today. In addition we have two public information sessions scheduled next week. Please refer to the press release below for additional information.

    We hope that we have addressed many of the concerns expressed and welcome further comment.

    Phil

    Philip A. Bryce
    Director
    NH Division of Parks and Recreation
    (w) 603-271-3556 (c) 603-340-7846
    www.nhstateparks.org
    Philip.Bryce@dred.nh.gov
    (note new email address)



    State of New Hampshire
    Department of Resources and Economic Development
    DIVISION of PARKS and RECREATION
    172 Pembroke Rd, PO Box 1856 Concord NH 03302-1856
    Phone: 603/271-2006 Fax: 603/271-2629
    CONTACT: Amy Bassett, 603-271-3556, amy.bassett@dred.state.nh.us

    For Immediate Release
    Information Sessions for Proposed Admin Rules
    (Concord, NH) The New Hampshire Division of Parks and Recreation will be holding two public information sessions on the proposed Administrative Rule changes. Changes to the proposed Administrative Rules have been made based upon the first public comment period. The Information Sessions are as follows:

    On December 9, 2013 at the Department of Resources and Economic Development, 172 Pembroke Road, Concord from 2:00pm – 4:00pm, department staff will be available to discuss the proposed rule changes. The public is welcome to drop by at any time between the posted hours.

    On December 10, 2013 at the NH Audubon McLane Conference Center, PSNH Room, 84 Silk Farm Road, Concord from 6:30pm – 7:30pm, department staff will be available to discuss the proposed rule changes. The public is welcome to drop by at any time between the posted hours. From 7:30 – 9:30 Director Bryce will make a presentation on the proposed rule changes. The public will be invited to speak.

    The revised proposed Administrative Rules will be posted on the Division’s website by end of day December 4, nhstateparks.org under Who We Are. Public comments can be sent to Leanne.Lavoie@dred.nh.gov or mail to DRED Leanne Lavoie, Rules Coordinator, P.O. Box 1856, Concord, NH 03302 by December 18, 2013.

    The Division of Parks and Recreation is comprised of the Bureau of Park Operations, Bureau of Historic Sites, Bureau of Trails, and Cannon Mountain. The Division manages 92 properties, including state parks, beaches, campgrounds, historic sites, trails, waysides, and natural areas. The Division of Parks and Recreation is one of four divisions of the Department of Resources and Economic Development. To learn more, visit www.nhstateparks.org, follow NH State Parks on Facebook and Twitter, or call 603/271-3556.

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        12-04-2013, 09:36 AM
      #22
    Weanling
    New Hampshire I am so sorry for this battle you are in... I hope for the best for you!!!

    Could someone explain how horse poop is offensive?? In my neck of the woods, (Georgia) there are hikers that complain about the horses and the poop. I realize that FRESH poop could be a little yuky, but come on. How hard is it to just step over. After it has been there a day or so it is totally non-offensive.. at least to me!!!
    If anyone knows exactly why hikers get so tore up about the poop, please explain it to me.
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        12-04-2013, 09:51 AM
      #23
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    I got that too. At least they are being open about it. Have to check and see.

    Where I live it would be crazy to have any sort of rules. I've yet to run into another rider though I do occasionally see a horse pass the house or spot tracks. I think down in the southern part of the state where it's more congested they need to do a little control but not the onerous rules they were proposing. My guess is a few morons ruined a good thing for all and left a mess in parking lots or trail heads.

    RhondaLynn, some folks are freaked out by any sort of poop. I have a summer resident down the road who stopped to admire my flower beds once. I gave her a tour and dug up a few easy things for her. She saw the horses out in the pasture and you could see the fear wash over her face. She asked me if I used manure on my gardens. Told her of course I did. She attempted to walk back across 2 acres of flower and vegetable garden without touching her feet to dirt. No idea what she was thinking would happen to her if she touched a little bit of old compost but she was genuinely scared. I haven't noticed the plants I gave her growing at her house either. She probably discarded them in the woods someplace for fear she might catch the dreaded poop disease.
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        12-05-2013, 01:22 AM
      #24
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SueNH    
    dreaded poop disease.
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        12-05-2013, 02:23 PM
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        12-05-2013, 02:28 PM
      #26
    Weanling
    Yea... good for NH trailriders!!!
         
        12-13-2013, 06:28 PM
      #27
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by RhondaLynn    
    Could someone explain how horse poop is offensive?? In my neck of the woods, (Georgia) there are hikers that complain about the horses and the poop. I realize that FRESH poop could be a little yuky, but come on. How hard is it to just step over. After it has been there a day or so it is totally non-offensive.. at least to me!!!
    If anyone knows exactly why hikers get so tore up about the poop, please explain it to me.
    Let me sum it up for you, city folk! Unfortunately I live and work around to many of them...Anyway they think horse manure is yucky and horses should have to wear diapers or be banned from their trails. After all they are hiking to enjoy nature and don't want to have to avoid naturally occurring horse apples.
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        12-15-2013, 09:32 AM
      #28
    Weanling
    When I first saw this post I was so saddened by the proposed changes. After reading to the end all of you horse people made a differance, can't say how thrilled I am for you all! I would have to move so somewhere horse friendly if this happened in my state. Just to add, snowmobiles add fumes to the air, horses add natural biodegradeable horse poo to the earth, totally nature at it's best. Anyways I am so HAPPY about reading that you fought and won!!!!!!! Best news ever!
         
        12-15-2013, 11:44 AM
      #29
    Started
    I have a major snowmobile corridor that passes through my property. I see much more soil compaction damage than a few horses could ever do. You would have to run the Budweiser Clydes with their big wagon over that trail daily to equal the damage I see the snowmobiles do in a few short months. I finally got after the snowmobile club to reseed the trail. Told them you want to use it you reseed. They keep using that trail even when the snow has worn off and the machines act almost as rototillers.

    http://www.nhstateparks.org/uploads/...rridor_Map.pdf

    I made a point of telling the director that horse people spend a whole lot more money year round than the snowmobile folks do. My wallet bleeds money year round. The snow machine run for one short season. Somehow they were always the beloved child of the Parks Dept. Though. Other horseman did the same. We all made a point of pointing out all the related businesses and home industries that would suffer should we loose trail access. They heard us! Money talks.
         
        12-15-2013, 12:13 PM
      #30
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SueNH    
    I have a major snowmobile corridor that passes through my property. I see much more soil compaction damage than a few horses could ever do. You would have to run the Budweiser Clydes with their big wagon over that trail daily to equal the damage I see the snowmobiles do in a few short months. I finally got after the snowmobile club to reseed the trail. Told them you want to use it you reseed. They keep using that trail even when the snow has worn off and the machines act almost as rototillers.

    http://www.nhstateparks.org/uploads/...rridor_Map.pdf

    I made a point of telling the director that horse people spend a whole lot more money year round than the snowmobile folks do. My wallet bleeds money year round. The snow machine run for one short season. Somehow they were always the beloved child of the Parks Dept. Though. Other horseman did the same. We all made a point of pointing out all the related businesses and home industries that would suffer should we loose trail access. They heard us! Money talks.
    Bicycles, motorcycles, quads and snow mobiles all do a ton more damage to trails than horses. Those wheel tracks leave nice little ruts for water to flow down while horses put in divots that slow water down...

    Snow mobiles are the worst of the lot though. They compact the snow into ice which then melts and runs from underneath. Great way to put big washes into your favorite trails. Some of our clubs are learning over here, they are putting logs across the trails to slow down the water and direct it off the trail where it can spread and do less damage.
         

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