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    05-31-2013, 02:01 AM
Originally Posted by bsms    
A "normal" horse would probably know that from having run around in the open before without a rider. I don't think Mia was ever out of a corral. So she has to be taught how to canter without stumbling.
You know, the more you write about Mia, the more I come to appreciate just how lucky I am to have Ellie.

The ironic thing is that it's my friend's mustang, who's done nothing but trail riding since he was caught & trained, who's always stumbling and tripping over his own feet.

A modest level of collection is also helpful for a horse to canter in a tight turn, or to trot thru a tight turn. So if you want to be able to move in a trot or canter in tight spaces, then some collection is pretty important.
I'm afraid that's quite a bit beyond my own skill level at the moment. Cantering and most trotting happen on straights, or gentle curves.
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    06-01-2013, 11:40 PM
Originally Posted by jamesqf    
Yeah, that is the root of the problem I have getting my head around arena riding (except as practice): that from the outside it's a lot more about looking pretty than anything else.
I guess it might be helpful to clarify just what everyone's definition is here of "arena riders," because (to me) there's quite a bit of difference among the styles and disciplines.

Although I have gaited horses, I have absolutely no use or interest in most of the "rail classes" popular in the world of gaited horse shows. That, to me, is just about "looking pretty," less about the actual skills or abilities of the horse or rider. Some of those same horse/rider combinations may also compete in other events, but the rail class itself is something I find incredibly boring to watch.

But skills required for other "arena" events - whether English or Western disciplines - are things that can probably be applied to trail riding in some way. Suppleness, responsiveness to the aids, balance and coordination and being able to adjust strides and speed within the different gaits are all things that we (as trail riders, and our horses) can benefit from, too.

Even just some basic things - like correctly fit and use of tack, developing a better seat and softer hands - can help us and our horses. I say this only because I know quite a few trail riders who are constantly hauling on their horses' mouths and thumping on their sides, buying harsher bits when "the horse won't stop" or bigger spurs when "the horse won't go" or new saddles when the horse is sore-backed from the rider bouncing all over them because they never learned how to develop a good, balanced seat.

Or. . .those trail riders just get a new horse every couple of years but always seem to wind up with horses that have some kind of "problem."

A lot CAN be learned from arena riding. . .it's not just about "looking pretty."
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    06-03-2013, 07:40 AM
There is education in all disciplines.
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    06-04-2013, 02:48 PM
" I figure one brush against one of those, and Mia would be a buckin' & a snortin' & a fartin' to the Mexico border and beyond..."

Thanks for giving me a good laugh BSMS...I really needed that. It was hard not to envision Mia being a bucking whirlwind over the next two mountian ranges.
    06-04-2013, 02:58 PM
Originally Posted by Kotori    
I'm not allowed to trail ride. Trainer says it teaches both of us bad habits. I have to do everything like I'm in a show, or I won't get better. I'm also not allowed to lunge sinceall it does is tire the horses out.
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Only practicing bad habits teaches bad habits. There is nothing specific to trail riding (or any other activity) which creates bad habits. You could actually argue the opposite... that [insert alternate activity here] teaches you and your horse to react better in unfamiliar circumstances, thereby teaching good habits.

All work and no play is usually not a good thing. If all you ever do is ride like you are in a show *IMO* it only serves to sour you and your horse to the activity. Everyone - horses too - need a break and should have a "day off" every now and then.

Every horse is different. However, I think it is the rare horse that is too tired to work after some lunging. Many people lunge (or do similar warmup work) before many events, including speed events. Every horse I have ridden (albeit I haven't ridden _that_ many) is still ready to run after a _hard_ 10 mile trail ride. A few minutes of lunging doesn't come close to that.

Perhaps you "show" trainer has lost several clients to other disciplines and doesn't want you to experience other equine activities?
    06-04-2013, 03:10 PM
Originally Posted by Jolly Badger    
I guess it might be helpful to clarify just what everyone's definition is here of "arena riders," because (to me) there's quite a bit of difference among the styles and disciplines.
I think that applies to most riding, including trail. So many online disagreements seem to stem from misunderstandings in terminology.

But skills required for other "arena" events - whether English or Western disciplines - are things that can probably be applied to trail riding in some way.
I agree. I also think it ironic that it is really about the opposite of this statement. Arena events all have their roots in non-arena events.

Dressage has its roots in medieval calvary war maneuvers.
Most western events (roping, cutting, etc.) has obvious roots in outside the ring activities.

Sure, these activities are sometimes far removed from their real world counterparts there is still a connection. The arena offers much for the non-arena rider. But working outside the ring also provides plenty of opportunity for the arena rider.

A lot CAN be learned from arena riding. . .it's not just about "looking pretty."
Absolutely. Riders should embrace all opportunities to learn.
    06-04-2013, 03:13 PM
I know I don't have the experience under my belt like you guys do, but this is what I"ve learned when I did alot of horseriding back in '94.
I love trail riding....I would rather do that than anything else....BUT...that would have to DEPEND ON THE HORSE.
There is absolutely NO WAY I would ride a horse that is bucks, bolts or spooks at every little thing to take on trails. I find that they are safety hazards and being on trails or on roads with these kinds of animals is dangerous. I don't know how many times I"ve don't first aid on people doing trail rides because the animal spooked and bolted throwing the rider into stumps and logs and whatnot. Some horses are mean't to be in the ring and stay there...they're just not safe on trails....they don't have the temperment or personality for it.

I remember a bunch of us had plans to go on a trail ride and I was told to ride this big palomino quarter horse. I rid him a couple times in the arena but never out on the trails or on the road. I remember looking at him in the eye and got a funny feeling about it. I turned to my instructor and told her that I was going to pass on this....I got a funny feeling about this horse. So...somebody else decided to try him out and that rider got the ride of their lifetime.
The horse couldn't handle being away from it's security blanket (barn) and decided that a mile down the road was to far from the barn. The horse backed right into the ditch, just about landing on its rider, got freaked out and bolted out of the ditch right into the other riders and all this right next to a road (fortunatley) there was no cars going by at that time. Fortunatley...nobody got hurt on this ride.
As much as I love trail comes first. If the horse is not bomb proof and does not have the temperment or personality to be on trails....I'm not taking it out.
    06-04-2013, 03:18 PM
Originally Posted by Jolly Badger    
Even just some basic things - like correctly fit and use of tack, developing a better seat and softer hands - can help us and our horses. I say this only because I know quite a few trail riders who are constantly hauling on their horses' mouths and thumping on their sides...
Honestly, I think that's more a matter of attitude than where you learn. I'm pretty much the opposite of all that: my friend/teacher keeps telling me that I need to be more assertive with reins & legs, I don't expect to ever use spurs at all... and I bet you could find a similar number of show riders who do the equivalents. If you're the sort of person whose nature is to haul & thump, you'll do it wherever.

Of course you can learn all those things in an arena. The difference as I see it is in the purpose of learning, as Kotori's comment "I have to do everything like I'm in a show..." illustrates.
    06-05-2013, 12:25 AM
Those of you who say you don't canter in a zig zag between trees and other things along the trail. Probably don't run barrels or Poles in an arena either. I don't see a lot of difference between running poles at a 4H event or zig-zaggin thru the trees in a forest. Heck we do it all the time, especially when we chase cows.

When I get a froggy horse, I put him to work dancing with the sagebrush or what ever other bush I can find. The horse has too much energy, Its a great way to burn some of it off. The horses doesn't want his legs in that crap any more than I want it brushing me out of the saddle. A few minutes of dancing with the trees will take the piss and vinegar out of most froggy horses.

I put them back to the trail and as long as they behave, I let them walk down the trail. If they get excited ( herd bound for their buddies, wanting to return to the trailer, upset about not being the leader, You insert your problem here) We go back to dancing with the trees at a trot or faster. Those horses learn real quick they get to rest if they behave.

Horses were a midlife change for me also. Skiing, Motorcycles, Fast cars, basketball and other sports consumed my younger years. I got into horses when I finally learned how to kill elk and found out how hard it was to haul an 800lb elk off a mountain. I quickly learned that I couldn't just use my horses for a week or two of hunting in the fall, They were a life style changing event that required a lot of time and new learning.

I've Seen my horses slip and fall in the pasture when they get fooling around. Usually slipping in wet grass or mud. I've ridden some of the roughest country around and twice in 20 years have I gone down with my horse. You know what? Some times a horse just slips and goes down. Walk or trot, sometimes it just happens. Sometimes we get hurt when that happens, sometimes we brush the dust off and laugh about it.

This was the 5th horse in a line, The first 4 crossed the water, The 5th dropped out of sight in the quicksand. See the wet sand all over the horses hand and front quarter. Rider when splat over the horses head flat on his back in the stream. You get back on and finish the ride.

    06-05-2013, 12:53 AM
I look at those photos and realize what a petunia I am......
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