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    10-14-2013, 09:26 AM
  #11
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We ride a lot on the trails in the Chickasaw National Recreation Area located on the south city limits of town (Sulphur, OK). They put up a sign reading "Trail Closed" or "Road Closed" at every entrance into the Park. They only have 1 or 2 employees working and they are the Park Police. They are only patrolling the perimeter and chasing anybody out that dares to put a foot in the Park.

Not only does the politics of this make no sense what-so-ever, they have said they will pay all of the non-working Federal employees while they are NOT at work. So, now we are paying them to stay home and not work. Someone tell me how that makes any sense at all.
     
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    10-14-2013, 09:31 AM
  #12
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Muriel    
No our ninny politicians have shut down all of our federal government (well mostly). So our national parks, forests, museums etc are now closed. All non-essential federal employees were told not to come into work (they won't get paid). Most federal agencies are closed. Many states have parks and museums that remain open. The icing on the cake is the IRS (USA taxing authority) still works, but only the collections part, not the service or refund section. What a joke

Why are the trails shut? Some national parks do charge fees. But many you can access without paying fees. They are all closed because there is no one to ensure they are safe or if someone gets hurt or gets lost, no federal park employees can go out and find or assist them. If it sounds odd to you, just imagine how odd it is to us. People got to the Washington DC capital every day to see the monuments and war exhibits, but those have been blocked off too ... just crazy
Apparently the government has such a high opinion of itself that it thinks the American people are not capable of walking on a path in the woods without "help."

There really isn't much to stop people from hiking/riding the trails, but I think anything that involves "facilities and services" is closed. That includes points of interest where there is a concession stand or restroom, or camping (even if it's just a primitive setup). And, in some areas, you cannot access trails or trailheads without first entering the park or going through some kind of access gate, so they simply close and lock the gates.
bsms and goneriding like this.
     
    10-14-2013, 09:35 AM
  #13
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To an outsider it does indeed sound a bit crazy, I live in a National Park now but it could not be closed. We only have our public rights of way closed when there are serious health issues such as foot and mouth.
     
    10-14-2013, 09:41 AM
  #14
Yearling
The National Parks in the state were closed. ( Arches, Bryce, Capital Reef, Canyon lands and Zions) The state of Utah stepped up and is paying to keep them open. For Utah it is a $100 million economic loss for the month of October to be closed. So they are open now.

Never saw any problems with riding during the shut down. We still park in primitive areas and ride across the mountains.

Now if I had tried to get a permit to host a "For Profit" event o public lands, I would have had problems. Since the administrative offices are all closed and getting the permit or processing one would have come to a complete halt.

The rangers are always asking trick questions to see if somebody is getting paid or earning a fee to lead a group on a ride. The answer no matter how the question is asked is always " Nope we are just friends out enjoying a ride" If the BLM or Forest Service thinks there is any organization or any money changing hands. They want some of it.
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    10-14-2013, 10:04 AM
  #15
Trained
There is no excuse to close a national forest. Campgrounds? Yes. But the trails? Not a chance. Enter at your own risk signs MIGHT be appropriate. The House offered full funding to the National Park Service, and has offered full funding for the government for 6 weeks to negotiate, but that doesn't fit the DC agenda of maximizing the pain.

But funding or not, there is no justification for closing the trails in the National Forests. I spent many years hiking on them without a cell phone or any rescue service. That is always my assumption when I enter public land - if I enter, I need to find a way to exit.
     
    10-14-2013, 11:46 AM
  #16
QOS
Green Broke
Ebenezer Park in Jasper, Texas on Lake Sam Rayburn is closed. My cousin has reservations for this coming weekend (I couldn't get reservations - they were packed!) but do not know if they will be going. If this goofy madness of idiotic government officials playing chicken will end she is going. The trails are open as there are private homes back there. I will go up Saturday for a day ride if possible.
     
    10-14-2013, 08:51 PM
  #17
Yearling
The endurance ride we were at the first weekend of the month was supposed to take place in a national forest in New York state. The ride manager was notified at 8pm Thursday night that she could not use the trails. Luckily for us, she was able to re-route and re-mark over 30 miles of trail for us on Friday, so the rides went on for Saturday and Sunday.

The next ride we plan to attend, this one in Virginia, is also almost entirely on National Park land. Management has already made arrangements to use trails on privately owned property if the park trails are still closed.

The whole thing is insane.
     
    10-14-2013, 11:35 PM
  #18
Foal
You know what's funny? MOST of the government is still running. They only shut down the parts that would hurt the average American most. AND in DC, they shut down the parks and whatnot for those old vets, but allowed a bunch of illegal immigrants entry so they could protest something. Wth. AND in....Yellowstone, I think it was, a bus of elderly tourists (many not from the US) WERE HELD AT GUNPOINT in the park and could not even stop the bus to go to the bathroom. It's sick. If the gov't just stayed the heck out of our lives, that'd be great.
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    10-14-2013, 11:46 PM
  #19
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Originally Posted by Clava    
To an outsider it does indeed sound a bit crazy, I live in a National Park now but it could not be closed. We only have our public rights of way closed when there are serious health issues such as foot and mouth.
If the US government continues to carry on like a bunch of spend-crazy bafoons I might just hop across the pond. I'm visiting Scotland this spring....maybe I just won't come back lol.
     
    10-15-2013, 12:16 AM
  #20
Yearling
No real effect on trails hereabouts, but when you consider that most of the "trails" are things like old logging roads (or roads that are rights-of-way dating back to pioneer days), and that there is way more National Forest/BLM land hereabouts than private land, there is no possible way they could be closed off.

The RV-type campgrounds are closed, but most would be closing for winter about now, anyway. Really, the only effect on me has been that I can't get a firewood cutting permit. But since there's no one out there to enforce the permits...
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