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    01-18-2011, 10:51 PM
The problem is my friend doesn't think that there are any issues with her horse. She is perfectly happy with his behaviour. I am the one with the problem because I don't like my horse becoming spooky from being run into all the time. I have talked to her about it and she just shrugs and says about her horse " he behaves like a dick but he isn't dirty". Personally I feel that him shunting into my horse IS dirty but she has no problem with it so what can I do? Simple - don't ride with her anymore.
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    01-18-2011, 11:49 PM
I bet she , your friend, has a similar perspective about how frustrating it can be to ride with Kiwi, who insists on total obedience all the time. It takes the fun out of a ride!

Personally, I am with you in that I hate a rider that knowingly lets a horse misbehave for the shear amusement of it all. I might not be able to tolerate if long , unless I had a lot of affection for the person outside of those situations, in which case I would just have to grit my teeth and just remind myself that it won't last forever. Your horsemanship may provide a valuable example to her. You never know.

I find that very few of the people that I ride with are that perfect riding companion. Most are too timid, others talk too much and one of them is too harsh. But my friends who are more timid really appreciate it when I ride with them and keep the pace to a level that they can do with comfort. The appreciate that, and I appreciate being appreciated!
    01-19-2011, 12:50 AM
Green Broke
Originally Posted by tinyliny    
I bet she , your friend, has a similar perspective about how frustrating it can be to ride with Kiwi, who insists on total obedience all the time. It takes the fun out of a ride!
I guess I am the bad friend too, lol! One of my horses is AWESOME, and is always among the best behaved horses in the group, if not the very best behaved. But you know what? If a horse is giggy, or slow, or hyper, as long as it isn't really creating a danger, I just let it roll off me. I think agree with the quote above, it DOES take the fun out of the ride if you have to be "perfect" all the time.

My horse who actually is close to perfect, is also very slow, and it would annoy my friends with gaited horses because I would always have to trot to catch up, and that would get their horses all excited. My horse is pleasing me and doing as I ask. If trotting up excites their horses, then maybe it's THEIR horse that needs the training. Know what I mean?

In other words, if my horse is doing as I say, and isn't a danger, but he has to trot to catch up, and the other horses get excited, maybe it's the other horses that need the training. So I dunno, I guess I would enjoy riding with your friend with the "bad" horse, because it just wouldn't bother me. And if the horse getting rammed were actually annoyed, I'm sure it would kick, or at least threaten to.

I do think it's bad behavior to let your horse get too close to another one, and especially it your horse is ramming into another one, but all in all, if it's really a problem, then the horse being rammed will give dirty looks and threats at some point.

I have ridden with one lady who is so tense, and so worried about her horses being perfect, that she is tense, mad at her horses all the time, and her horses are nervous wrecks. Sometimes you just need to relax and have fun. Riding should not be an experience that makes you mad. It should be fun!

Because of my relaxed attitude, I also have a reputation for ridding jiggy horses that other people would not enjoy. But that's okay, they only have to please me.

I did finally buy a gaited horse to keep up with the gaited horse folks, but I'm sure my QH friend will find her annoying, because she is rather go-y and jiggy at times. But hey, you can't please all your riding buddies all the time. But now I have a fast horse AND a slow horse, so I am prepared for most occasions.

But relax and have fun, that's what riding is all about. And if the "bad behavior" bothers you, then maybe it's best you ride apart.
    01-19-2011, 01:27 AM
My horse does threaten to kick my friends horse all the time, I am pretty sure that I am reading my horse correctly when I say she gets as annoyed and angry about it as I do all the tail swishing, bum flicks and flattened ears is definitely a clue - I think my horse must be as anal as I am about being rammed from behind. To tell you the truth I am a little amazed that I have become the problem in this scenario because my horse and I don't appreciate being leapt on top of every ten meters. I started this thread because I needed to vent a little frustration after a day that could have been perfect became a debacle. You guys have no idea where I ride or what sort of country I am in so you can't be expected to understand how important a well behaved horse can be. Call me crazy but I would rather have my horse watching where her feet are instead of trying to swing around and see what the other fool is doing when there is nothing between us and a 150 ft drop. I don't mind a little bit of silliness on a ride, I don't even care about jiggy joggy horses but are you telling me that you think it really is ok that my horse ends up having to take evasive measures, Continuously - for hours! -to avoid being hit by another horse? To tell you the truth its not even the crappy ride that gets me its the fact that this could be avoided if my friend would just push him along at the start of the ride instead of letting him dawdle and mooch along - and please don't give me the whole slow walking horse argument. This horse is not a slow walker when he is going in the direction he wants to go in, he has a lovely big walk when he feels like it. My friend laughs about her Jekyll and Hyde horse, thinks its a great joke and in the mean time my girl ends up becoming a bug eyed and nuerotic mess. Anyway may be I am the problem I'll shut up now and get on with riding on my own.
    01-19-2011, 01:47 AM
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I didn't mean for you to think you were the problem. Sorry about that.

I guess it's just human nature to look at both sides of the equation and play devils advocate. Maybe I was being devils advocate a little too much. But I guess I could relate to the whole "slow horse" thing, because I am normally the one on the slow horse that has to catch up. Not ram anyone......that is not good, but just catch up. And then when I do catch up, other people's horses act all looney, and somehow that is my fault? So that's where I am coming from. For all I know, your friend and her horse could be a complete menace! I am only speaking from my own perspective.
    01-19-2011, 01:58 AM
I understand that you might have been run into. My horse has been kicked multiple times by my horses friends so many times in fact that when her horse flicks its tail my horse sidesteps because it thinks its a leg thrown out there. But at this point my horse still behaves well and well enough to help the other horse out. If the horse is running up your horses butt then grab a stick or a whip or a crop and swing it behind you. When he runs into whap him. I would just lay it to your friend "you aren't going to at least try to work with your horse then I don't really want to go with you" or maybe find a clinician and take your horses to the clinic together. Then you can help one another apply the principals. To be honest I don't think I would want to go riding with either one of you. I want my friends to be understanding, and I want them to try. I think that someday when it is you and your "unflappable" horse having the bad time you will want a more understanding friend then you have been.
    01-19-2011, 02:09 AM
Be of good cheer, Kiwi! There's a simple solution: Take a 12-14 foot lead line with you, (tie it to saddle) & when horse gets too close, flap it at him, as much as necessary to back him off. It's better for the rider when she doesn't always have to be "the bad guy" pulling the horse up; it just comes from in front of him, from another "herd"!
    01-19-2011, 02:17 AM
And if the horse getting rammed were actually annoyed, I'm sure it would kick, or at least threaten to.
Sorry, but no. My horses know they are NEVER allowed to threaten to kick another horse while I am around - On the ground or under saddle. It is simple manners. Not to mentioned I ride mounted games where we are passing each other at a flat gallop - A horse who tries to kick another is a menace.


Kiwi - I feel your pain! I onyl ride with a select few, about 4, friends. We all know each other, all have well behaved horses, and all hold ourselves, our horses, and each other to a high standard. I don't think it should be any other way, honestly. That doesn't mean we don't have fun - Most of our trail rides are ambling along on a loose rein at a walk or loping along on a loose rein chatting! But we can do this and do it safely because our horses are well trained.

Interestingly enough, I had a similar, but different situation. When I got Latte and started riding out on trails with one of my good friends, she drove me bananas - Latte is not naughty at all but she is super green, and said friend kept riding off to do her own thing, leaving me on a very herd bound, green broken pony. We had some hairy moments! While it was very frustrating, it just meant that I avoided riding with her for a while, and worked doubly hard to teach Latte to be happy being left behind. The result? Now I can ride with her again and I have a still green broken pony who is as solid as my show horse being left behind on the trails.
    01-19-2011, 03:40 PM
Kiwi--please don't stop posting on this subject. I am interested in how you deal with this situation.

I have been on both sides. Fortunately, when I have been riding a young, just-started horse, it was mostly with my sister-in-law who had a youngster of her own coming up. We would joke about "money in the bank" and making withdrawals when the time came.

My husband rides drag all the time, no matter what horse he is riding. But when he gaits to catch up he doesn't ram into the horse in front of him. However, when Shorty is directly behind my horse, he likes to nip at Sailor's rear. Shorty is boss in the pasture. My husband will gently lay a hand (I can't call it a smack) on Shorty's neck and in a sarcastic tone say, "Shorty!" Like that disciplines the horse. Angers me no end. So I started swinging the end of my rein at Shorty anytime he got close. Don't care what part of him I connect with. Some men just never learn.

I also have a friend who I like very much, but her horses, in spite of her insistance, are not well trained. They don't stand still to mount; don't stand still on the trail to take photos; won't side up to something to mount; won't allow the rider to adjust the stirrups while still on the horse. She has three horses all "trained" by the same trainer and, in my opinion she wasted her money and time. That being said, I still ride with her because these issues don't concern my horses. If that's what she chooses to tolerate that's her issue. I just calmly sit on my horse waiting while her's dance around. Other than the afore-mentioned problems, her horses are okay trail horses. She thinks they are perfect and well-trained so I don't offer any advice. Live and let live. If they were dangerous to me, my horses or her, I would say something.
    01-19-2011, 04:07 PM

You sure took that and ran with it. No one said your were the problem. I only said that EVERYONE has their perspective and that from your friend's point of view, the ride has a different color.
Personally, and I said this in my first post, I am with you. I prefer a well mannered horse and a responsible rider, and it wears on my patience to have to go out with the kind of rider your described. However, I think that it's worth doing it occasionally for the sake of THAT person, and maybe to help us stay humble and patient,for our and our horse's sake.

I would LOVE to ride in the kind of country you ride in. But I might not be able to keep up with you. Would that try your patience? Would you come off after the ride grumbling about having been held back by me?
Honestly, I agree with your points about keeping safe and such. Were it me on that ride, I would have asked the bumm-butting friend to lead. That would have taken care of all the issues. Or is that not a possibility?

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