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    01-19-2011, 04:25 PM
"Many people lack the self discipline necessary to be really great with horses. What Iím talking about is ownership of everything that goes on. Everything that goes on with your horse, from the time that you head to get him from the pasture in the morning until the time when you release him to graze again after a dayís work, is your responsibility. You own it. If it goes well, if it goes poorÖ the good, the bad, and the uglyÖ itís all yours. I tell riders in my classes, If your horse kicks another horse (in the class), itís your fault for not recognizing that shaping up and getting your horse doing something different. If your horse gets kicked by another horse, itís your fault for not recognizing that shaping up and getting your horse doing something different.
You own everything that happens when you are with your horse. You canít blame somebody else or their horse for your frustrations. That other person usually has enough trouble handling their own problemsÖ they donít need you adding to their pile. Just deal with what you have on your plate." -Patrick King, horse trainer

I completely understand your frustrations with that horse's trail behavior. Maybe your friend could benefit from the above quote...? I think I would rather ride alone than deal with that, best friend or not. I know my riding time is valuable to me and I want to make the most of it, not worry about falling off a cliff!
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    01-19-2011, 07:07 PM
Yes, I love my friend which is why I have been putting up with this for going on two years now. But unfortunately there is a cumulative effect happening. I don't mind her horse lagging behind me, the only difficulty is trying to have a conversation. The thing is that now my horse is so conditioned to her horse thundering into her from behind that now when she hears him trotting to catch up she immediately spins and spooks because she thinks he is going to hit her. I do try to put her in the front of us but of course going one direction his walk is so slow that I am riding Phoenix's mouth to keep her behind him and then, going the other way although there is all this jigging and frothing and leaping the **** horse still isn't really going any faster because he spends so much time dancing on one spot so I am STILL hanging on to Phoenix's mouth.

Please believe me when I say a horse doesn't have to be perfect to measure up to a ride with me. I just want to be able to enjoy my ride as much as she does, my friend loves to jump and she and her beast charge off to jump every jump-able log we come across and I love that she does that and love to watch her. I don't think I am a total killjoy I just want to feel like my space is being respected and to feel safe. Please also bear in mind that her horse is coming up 14, he has hunted, evented and trekked for many years. My horse is rising 6 and hasn't been ridden for three solid years yet. Mine is the green horse, hers is the one that we should be leaning on.
    01-19-2011, 09:23 PM
Originally Posted by kiwigirl    
hers is the one that we should be leaning on.
Maybe...maybe not. I think that all depends on the temperament of the horse, but that is another discussion entirely.

As far as trying to have a conversation with another rider on a slower horse, I know allll about that! LOL I have two trail mares, one has a normal walking speed, and one has the slooowwweeest walk on the planet! TTouch offers some suggestions on how to speed up a slow horse. I don't have a trail partner very often, but when I do, I ride the faster horse and ask her to do different exercises to slow her pace. We might stop and back a few strides, do circles, try sidepassing....little things that keep us in the same general area as the pokey horse. I know that is differet than a nice relaxing ride, but it might be something to try when you ride with this girl and her horse....
    01-19-2011, 11:09 PM
Heck with it Kiwi. I know you like your friend. But, I just got back from four hours of Heaven with just me and Mr. Big. Having someone to ride with would not have made it better. COULD not have made it better!

Do your friend a favor by telling her why you don't want to ride with her and then go get some Quality Time with your horse!

Sigh. Sounds easy, huh? I feel for you, girl. Hope it works out!
    01-19-2011, 11:23 PM
Hey Sailorgriz, you are absolutely right! All this thread is really about for me, what actually inspired me to start it is simply that if I start only riding by myself (which as I said I do really enjoy!!) I might start to get a bit lonely and that mad me sad and frustrated.

Thanks for the advice Sahara, I do spend a bit of time doing these things especially when I am at a gate waiting for my friend to catch up and it is her turn to open it, we take turns even though I Always get to the gate first. Unfortunately some of the tracks and paths we ride on don't allow for much more than just picking ones way down it.

I bought myself a new set of rider friendly (hopefully) head phones for my ipod so that is going to be from here on in I think. Me, the horse, the dog, the other dog and some music - doesn't really get any better than that does it!
    01-20-2011, 12:41 AM
Kiwi, toss in a glass of wine, a bagette, a nice sunset (or rise), and I'm there! Of course, then you wouldn't be alone.
    01-20-2011, 03:15 AM
Originally Posted by Northern    
Be of good cheer, Kiwi! There's a simple solution: Take a 12-14 foot lead line with you, (tie it to saddle) & when horse gets too close, flap it at him, as much as necessary to back him off. It's better for the rider when she doesn't always have to be "the bad guy" pulling the horse up; it just comes from in front of him, from another "herd"!
Thanks for this idea Northern! I probably wouldn't use it because I wouldn't want to spook my friends horse because the areas where most of the problems occur are generally narrow tracks with steep and often very high drops into rivers and gorges. Naturally when we are in a nice flat paddock its not a problem because he doesn't have to be tucked right in behind us. The tracks that we are walking on are steep and rutted with little trickles of water running over them and its the trickles and ruts that her horse has to have huge leaps over - even if they are only 12 inches wide. To be honest I wish my friend was "the bad guy" pulling the horse up, its the LACK of pulling the horse up that bothers me, if only she would pull the horse up I wouldn't have started this winge fest at all- lol.
    01-20-2011, 03:41 AM
I just thought I would chuck in a picture to give you an idea of what the land is like that I ride in. I know it doesn't look too bad but if you look just to the left of Phoenny's ear on the other side of that ravine you will see that half of the track at that point has fallen into that crevice which is roughly 70 ft deep with a river in the bottom. This does not leave much track to use. You can see that the tracks are cut into the sides of big steep hills. These hills are primarily comprised of Papa clay (all the grey rock you can see)which is extraordinarily slippery when wet and because of the nature of the land, in some places never dries out. Nothing sticks to Papa - not even trees and plants. The slip that I pointed out earlier is what we call a "greasy back" When soil and foliage get too heavy it simply slides off the clay infact all of the exposed clay that you can see results from greasy backs - slips are really common. Tracks can not be trusted, and it is not unusual to have to turn around and go back the way you have come because a track is impassable. Wonderful in the summer - very much a challenge to ride in the winter. Trust me you do not want a spooky horse on some of these tracks!

    01-20-2011, 03:02 PM
Gorgeous! Yeah..........not alot of room to be doing "exercises"! LOL
    01-20-2011, 04:33 PM
Green Broke
If this is the country you normally ride in, you are so lucky.

That said, it isn't fair to you or your horse to continue to ride with this friend. Her allowing the horse to act like it does could end up souring your horse or you on going trail riding.

And this terrain looks like a place that these types of behaviors could literally "push you over the edge."

I would just ride alone.

Wonder what she will be like as a parent?

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