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    08-18-2012, 02:26 AM
  #11
Green Broke
You have to sign a waiver, which is basically a release, not sign a wager, which is placing a bet.

Much of handling horses is not whether they trust you, per se, but whether they know you know what you are doing. That in a nutshell, makes all the difference in the world.

For instance. I can walk into virtually any training barn, or stable, and handle any of the horses in it, whether leading, feeding, grooming, or tacking up, and will not have laid eyes on those horses before in my life. And usually will have no problems at all because I have been around horses all my life and have worked with so many. It is all in the way I approach, plus I know how to read horses.

Horses know very quickly whether or not you know what you are doing, and if they find you lacking? Well, the battle is over before it began. And the human is generally on the losing end.

10 rides, particularly in a group situation just has not given you the skills to ride alone, particularly on a trail, in a pasture, and more than likely you would not be able to handle a horse by yourself even in an arena, if the horse had a mind to not go along with the program.

Lessons, cleaning stalls at a barn in exchange for lessons, and learning all you can is what you need to be doing now.

And many people will not let anyone ride their horses, even when they know the person can ride fairly well, because of the potential for the horse to have its training undone in some way.
     
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    08-18-2012, 07:48 AM
  #12
Foal
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Originally Posted by Endiku    
Canterbury- you are mistaken. Speedracer does not mean with your own horse, but rather with a rental horse that is owned by a private stable. I'm not sure about where you live, but here you have the option of paying a certain amount of money to 'ride' a horse for an hour or two with a guide and pack of other riders on extremely broke horses. You basically just play follow the leader around a few trails at a walk (SOMETIMES a trot) and head back.

If you have your own horse, there are thousands upon thousands of miles of trail, beach, mountain, and prairie to ride in. But only if, as I said- you own that horse. Sticking someone who claims to be an 'experienced rider' on your privately owned group trail horse, slapping them on the butt, and sending them off to do whatever they please is not only risky but down right stupid. It isnt just YOU that you are risking the life of, but also the horse that you're riding...THEIR horse. It could tear a ligament, break a leg, crash through a fence... No one does that anywhere that I'm aware of, except for maybe uninsured backyard 'trail riding' stables.

Who needs rules and regulations? Just about everyone. If I'm not mistaken, that's what keeps us from going out and having gun-fests wherever we want, killing eachother and creating general havoc. No need to put others at more risk than they can already find themselves.

Back on topic.

OP- as said before, we highly doubt that you will find somewhere that is like what you are requesting, and if you do- it is most likely not a good idea. HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that you have to settle for nothing. At least in my area, we do have facilities that will take you on 'adventure' trail rides, where you ride out with just one other person- your guide. No other people who are paying for rides, just you, your horse, and someone to watch you just incase things get a bit messy. At the facility that I know if in my area, they let you ride to the extent of your ability (I have gone there and after passing a few 'tests' that the guide gave me, I was allowed to canter along the wider paths and even have a nice little gallop at one point) and its quite fun. Be warned that it IS rather expensive (and rightfully so) and you have to sign a wager, but its very fun and very relaxing. At this particular farm it costs $50 per hour, and you can ride anywhere from an hour to all day. The horses are well behaved and extremely well trained as well. If that interest you, shop around a bit and try to find a farm that has those services. You might be suprised at what you find.

If you can't find one...well, then I guess that gives you a reason to come to Katy, Texas! XD
Smilies.. thank you for enlightening me as to your horse riding practices..

All I can say, is don't come to NZ for a horse ride.... we don't have guides and quiet little trail rides.. we don't have rules and regulations Like I said..

Take a look on my website to see where we ride. And often we just plan, check the weather and go...

I see a lot of folks writing in here , thinking their horse is going to break a leg, or tear a ligamant etc...

I have been around horses all my life, in remote mountain area, often on rocky passes to swampy, and all in between.

Never once have I seen or heard any horses breaking a leg etc.. they have there own sense of survival and look after themselves generally and will tell you if they don't think a situation is safe.. We ride over 6000 ft passes fully loaded at times often everyday mountain riding ..... crossing deep rivers.....for a week at a time etc... horses are smart....

What I have written, is not in any way to discredit yourself or anyone else... this post is ONLY........ what I have experienced riding horses here in NZ..
     
    08-18-2012, 08:04 AM
  #13
Foal
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Originally Posted by Palomine    
You have to sign a waiver, which is basically a release, not sign a wager, which is placing a bet.

Much of handling horses is not whether they trust you, per se, but whether they know you know what you are doing. That in a nutshell, makes all the difference in the world.

For instance. I can walk into virtually any training barn, or stable, and handle any of the horses in it, whether leading, feeding, grooming, or tacking up, and will not have laid eyes on those horses before in my life. And usually will have no problems at all because I have been around horses all my life and have worked with so many. It is all in the way I approach, plus I know how to read horses.

Horses know very quickly whether or not you know what you are doing, and if they find you lacking? Well, the battle is over before it began. And the human is generally on the losing end.

10 rides, particularly in a group situation just has not given you the skills to ride alone, particularly on a trail, in a pasture, and more than likely you would not be able to handle a horse by yourself even in an arena, if the horse had a mind to not go along with the program.

Lessons, cleaning stalls at a barn in exchange for lessons, and learning all you can is what you need to be doing now.

And many people will not let anyone ride their horses, even when they know the person can ride fairly well, because of the potential for the horse to have its training undone in some way.
I am probably going to get in heated debate, ......but I ....do let a learner, or folks returning to riding,,,, ride a couple of my virtually bombproof horses out with me..

Infact I have done this lots and lots, and these people so appreciate me letting them do this...

And is there any change in the horse after learners have been on him...... No.... he has been trained and is accepting of all comers...

Often they are nervous, and often tense up as a log truck comes into view, (we live next to a major forest and have log trucks working 20 hours a day), but the old horse just carries on with little or no reaction, then as it passes, the look on the nervous riders face.... they have survived.... this gives them a little confidence and some tools to work on...

Without my help many would be still walking without a horse..

I enjoy helping people..!
     
    08-18-2012, 09:35 AM
  #14
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by canterburyhorsetrailrider    
I am probably going to get in heated debate, ......but I ....do let a learner, or folks returning to riding,,,, ride a couple of my virtually bombproof horses out with me....!
Out with me .... There is no difference between you and here then.
     
    08-18-2012, 10:21 AM
  #15
Showing
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Originally Posted by canterburyhorsetrailrider    
Having just read your reply, I am astounded..... you are saying you can't just ride out anywhere you like for Liability reasons.... WOW>>>
Endiku is correct, you completely misunderstood my post. The OP was asking about renting a horse and going out alone. If they owned their own mount, there'd be no such restriction.

No need for you to feel sorry for US horse owners, as not only can we ride out alone, but we have more country in which to do it than NZ.

Nothing you've stated makes it any different than what the rest of us have said. If it's not their horse they don't get to go out completely alone, especially being so inexperienced.
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    08-18-2012, 10:36 AM
  #16
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by canterburyhorsetrailrider    
Smilies.. thank you for enlightening me as to your horse riding practices..

All I can say, is don't come to NZ for a horse ride.... we don't have guides and quiet little trail rides.. we don't have rules and regulations Like I said..

Take a look on my website to see where we ride. And often we just plan, check the weather and go...

I see a lot of folks writing in here , thinking their horse is going to break a leg, or tear a ligamant etc...

I have been around horses all my life, in remote mountain area, often on rocky passes to swampy, and all in between.

Never once have I seen or heard any horses breaking a leg etc.. they have there own sense of survival and look after themselves generally and will tell you if they don't think a situation is safe.. We ride over 6000 ft passes fully loaded at times often everyday mountain riding ..... crossing deep rivers.....for a week at a time etc... horses are smart....

What I have written, is not in any way to discredit yourself or anyone else... this post is ONLY........ what I have experienced riding horses here in NZ..
Couple of points.

-There's not much difference between the US and NZ in riding horses you own/lease. Probably the major difference is in attitude when it comes to injuries. It's pretty **** easy here to sue and win in this country for your own stupidity. That makes people very wary about liability issues when it comes to letting others ride their horses. Many states have declared horses inherently dangerous so ride at your own risk (not the owners) but that doesn't stop law suits. Just takes a sympathetic jury to win.

-Many stables do have guided trail rides, kind of a touristy thing to do all over the world. Kind of surprises me you are saying NZ doesn't do this. Most of these places will not let their horses go out with a rider by themselves at all, some will let a real experienced rider do it that they know.

-And I just have to say, we have country that's every bit as rugged as NZ.
     
    08-18-2012, 11:03 AM
  #17
Teen Forum Moderator
Oops, my mistake Palomine! *waiver. You learn something every day ;)

Quote:
Originally Posted by canterburyhorsetrailrider    
Smilies.. thank you for enlightening me as to your horse riding practices..

All I can say, is don't come to NZ for a horse ride.... we don't have guides and quiet little trail rides.. we don't have rules and regulations Like I said..

Take a look on my website to see where we ride. And often we just plan, check the weather and go...

I see a lot of folks writing in here , thinking their horse is going to break a leg, or tear a ligamant etc...

I have been around horses all my life, in remote mountain area, often on rocky passes to swampy, and all in between.

Never once have I seen or heard any horses breaking a leg etc.. they have there own sense of survival and look after themselves generally and will tell you if they don't think a situation is safe.. We ride over 6000 ft passes fully loaded at times often everyday mountain riding ..... crossing deep rivers.....for a week at a time etc... horses are smart....

What I have written, is not in any way to discredit yourself or anyone else... this post is ONLY........ what I have experienced riding horses here in NZ..

Really? You don't have guides and regulated trail rides? Funny because when I googled 'New Zealand Trail Rides' I got atleast 50 listings for horse 'tours' for all ages and levels of riders.
http://www.riding-vacations.info/daten/horsetrekking-new-zealand-161.html


http://www.horseride-nz.co.nz/

Canturbury, I find that you are judging a country that you yourself have never been to (or perhaps you have? Surely not the entire country though.) very harshly. Yes, we do have rules for trail rides that you pay to 'rent' horses for, but it is only for the safety of the horse, rider, and company. If you have your own horse, you're welcome to go do pretty much whatever you wantn wherever you want as long as you ask before going on private property. If you're riding a friend's horse, theres still the chance of being sued, but if you're with them, plenty of people do it.

As for us being cautious about our animals...can you blame us? Or are you honestly going to try to use that against us? If you have ridded for as many years as you've said, you of all people should know how accident prone horses are. In fact we have atleast three threads going right now with extremely injured horses in them, and all of those we are done just Sliced heel bulbs, horses that were almost gutted by fence latches, and our personal yearling colt who stabbed his eye and ended up having to have it amputated! And if horses are that accident prone by themselves, if you add an inexperienced rider who can't cope with the horse possibly tripping or being spooked/stung by something, or worse- you get a semi experienced rider who decided to run the horse into the ground, exhaust it, or ask it to do dangerous things- how is that not a recipe for disaster? It doesnt necessarily have to be something huge for it to be an injury... stone bruises, bee stings, sprained ankles, cuts, and things such as that may become worse if the rider is alone and does not lknow how to properly care for it.

Yes, horses are smart. But people aren't always, unfortunately. If the person does not know how to listen to a horse, they will ignore warning signs. Its just how it is.

As for your intentions...I'll leave that to you. I assure you though that we are no less trail riders than you are, and our country (and stables) is not any worse for trying to protect themselves and us!
     
    08-18-2012, 12:22 PM
  #18
Trained
50% of Arizona is owned by the federal government. I don't know what percentage is owned by the state, but state land 1/2 mile from me is where I do most of my riding. Only 15% of Arizona is privately owned land!

According to a GAO report a few years back, the states with the largest percentage of federal land ownership were:

1.) Nevada: 91.9%
2.) Alaska: 66.7%
3.) Utah: 66.5%
4.) Idaho: 66.4%
5.) Wyoming: 50.6%
6.) Arizona: 50.2%
7.) Oregon: 49.7%
8.) California: 46.9%
9.) Colorado: 34.9%
10.) New Mexico: 34.1%
11.) Montana: 31.3%
12.) Washington: 31.0%

Report on Government-owned Land in U.S. Reveals Surprising Stats -- May 6, 2004 -- California Capitol Hill Bulletin -- Volume 11, Bulletin 15

And IIRC, in Arizona, private land must be posted to prevent trespassing. It is the landowner's responsibility to let the public know they aren't welcome to cross land.

However, there are not many commercial operations that will allow a person to take a horse out alone without making any assessment of the rider's skill. I suspect a lot of courts would consider that gross negligence on the part of the business. If I was on the jury, I would!

Overall, I'm pretty sure New Zealand has more regulations than the US. For example, in Arizona, I can carry a gun openly or concealed without a license.

I don't spend a lot of time worrying about my horse breaking a leg. I do think carefully about the possibility of an injury to ME. The lady who trained our horses has had a horse rear and fall on her in the desert, breaking her pelvis. That was before cell phones...

Most of us don't live cowering in fear, but 'what if' is a good phrase to use before heading out on a horse into rough country. And there is no way I'd let a stranger take one of my horses out by themselves! Not even if I had a bombproof horse - and I don't.
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    08-18-2012, 07:38 PM
  #19
Foal
Sorry... Seems we have both got the wrong end of the stick so to speak..

What I was refering to regarding no rules and regulations, was in reference to one of my earlier posts regarding horse use in our Mountain country..

In large areas we can simply plan and go riding....Many many areas have no restrictions or indeed rules..!

If we wish to ride over a high country station, we do need to ring and ask..

If we hurt ourselves while on said station its our issue.. our responsibility..

In regard to horse injury,posts, I read lots on here about possible horse injury.....before the fact....

I personally do all I can to minimuse injury but don't think.... hell on this trail ride my horse might break this or injure that....

If I did think like this..... I wouldnt be going anywhere...

I am sorry If I have offended anyone... it certainly is not my intention...!

I enjoy reading about your country and your horsemanship,with my posts intended to just show that in some areas of horsemanship you do things differently to us perhaps..

Each country has beautiful scenery and places to ride... I have made my website available to just show some of that difference....

Again sorry if I have offended......

Tony
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    08-20-2012, 09:31 PM
  #20
Foal
If you want to get into trail riding, and eventually riding alone, look into leasing a horse. That is what I do, and I often go out alone on the trails. I like riding in groups too, but it is great to spend some time alone with my horse in nature, with nobody else to worry about. I did a bunch of guided rides on the gelding I eventually leased before I decided to lease him, which also gave his owner confidence to let me go out alone.

John
     

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