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  • What should i wear in an aqha ranch pleasure class
  • Attire for ranch pleasure aqha

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    10-09-2012, 09:12 PM
  #21
Green Broke
Okay I never said a thing about judges caring about silver, I know that they don't, so I am not sure as to why you keep throwing that point out there. Are you going to see a cowboy rounding up strays in a saddle covered in bling? NO. This is a ranch horse show. That's why they don't want bling.

Let me rephrase myself as you will. They want this equal playing ground for all the horses. Is a world champion Reiner going to beat out a fine cow pony at an AQHA show? Hell yes it will!! We aren't going to say "oh your horse has won lots of money, it can't show with us", that's wrong to do that, all horses are judged on to how well they will do having a working lifestyle, and the no-bling just ads to the working horse image. If you want to show up to a RANCH horse show dressed like you got attacked by glitter glue, then go ahead. Not sure why you would bother, though? Lots of people here show with the aQHA and enjoy the break from the glitz and glamor.

And quite frankly, LOTS of people love the environment of it, and the club has plenty of funds to put on plenty of shows just with the members it has, which is A LOT.

It's a ranch show. Don't like it, go to a different breed show where you can use bling! I don't have a problem with bling, but this isn't the atmosphere for it.
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    10-09-2012, 09:22 PM
  #22
Ink
Weanling
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
disregarding the discussion on bling, I liked this horse a lot! That's some nice smooth gaits and a happy, balanced horse. I would ride him any day of the week and call that a pleasure. Just wish that rider would sit up straight and not hunch over like a pink vulture.
Tehehe pink vulture.
I'd say that's a pretty accurate description.
     
    10-09-2012, 09:29 PM
  #23
Green Broke
If someone wants to show in their sparkles WP outfit against me in ranch horse pleasure I don't care. If the judge is worth a **** he is judging the horse/rider per the class not what the rider is wearing or how much silver is on the saddle. From my experience, if a WP horse is shown exactly as a WP does in a WP pleasure class in the Stock/Ranch pleasure, they don't place well. That is not what the class is about. And the opposite can be the same, if I show my ranch horse in WP as I show in stock horse pleasure I won't place well. They are two different classes with the word "pleasure" in common. Yes both horses need to be responsive and collected but that goes for just about any class.

Also if breed show people want to show at open shows, that's ok! I know trainers that show NRCHA, NCHA and NRHA that use breed shows for schooling shows. I think it is fine for someone to take their horses to a lower level show to get them some experience.
And it is the best way to better yourself to show with against tough competition by upping the level your used to showing in. In anything you do, ride, rope, ride dirt bikes, golf..whatever
If you ride with someone better than you, it makes you step up your game(but hopefully not at your horses expense as far as pushing farther than his capabilities). Getting a little tough rather than getting complacent in a lower level is counter productive. I use shows as a way monitoring my progress with my horse. I hope to see improvement every time I show, or ride actually.

The no silver rule in the foundation shows have always made me roll my eyes a little. It just goes to show where most of these associations and rules are made. I know someone that said....

"You can always tell the difference between a Texas and a Nevada cowboy, the Texas cowboy drives a $50,000 pickup, rides a saddle that cost about $1000 new with silver that looks like it was made with a rusty screwdriver. The Nevada cowboy will ride a saddle worth more than a few months wages, silver so fine it hurts your eyes but a $200 pickup that barely makes it off the ranch to town."
     
    10-10-2012, 12:28 PM
  #24
Yearling
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Originally Posted by MangoRoX87    
And yes, I understand that the AQHA doesn't have rules. What I'm trying to say is, they are trying to keep that kind of stuff OUT, that's why Foundation has rules for it. Several of the judges are also AQHA judges and go with their guidelines and trends (sometimes, thankfully not everytime), so they do what they can to keep only the ranch horses in. They don't want it just developing into another ground for the big show horses to take over, like what happens with so many local shows, for easy wins.

I'm confused as to how you don't think its user friendly, just because they like things plain. That makes it a whole lot easier, simpler, and cheaper to show and enjoy it.
Plain is fine....I have no problem with it, but to make it an actual rule for something SO mundane as tack or a banded mane is off-putting.

Let me put it this way....if you showed up at an AQHA show with a plain work bridle and saddle, plain colored shirt, plain chaps, and a long unbanded mane and went in a WP class...you would still be accepted as a competitor. I've seen lots of people at my AQHA shows this year doing this very same thing.

Now, here I am going to a foundation show, I have some silver on my horse's bridle, chose to use my training saddle instead (which I used ALL last year at the AQHA shows), banded my horse's mane because it shows off his neck REALLY well, and I wear this plain white shirt I have that has a starburst pattern in crystals...and not a TON of crystals either. So someone comes over to me and says it's against the rules and I can't enter the class.

Hmmm.....which one seems "friendlier"?????
     
    10-10-2012, 01:23 PM
  #25
Green Broke
If you compete and win in say an A class show, why go practise at a B show, go practise at your A Show, and leave the smaller less expensive classes for those that show there all the time. How would you feel if there was a AAA show and then they came and Practised at your show that cost you,and your hopes and left you standing off with no wins?? And someones rant did not erase. ;)
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    10-10-2012, 01:40 PM
  #26
Yearling
I am sure this is a stupid question but... can any breed show in the "stock horse pleasure?" It seems like the actual goal is to have a horse that could maneuver about on a ranch so... any breed? Forgive my ignorance as this is all new to me.
     
    10-10-2012, 01:59 PM
  #27
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by stevenson    
if you compete and win in say an A class show, why go practise at a B show, go practise at your A Show, and leave the smaller less expensive classes for those that show there all the time. How would you feel if there was a AAA show and then they came and Practised at your show that cost you,and your hopes and left you standing off with no wins?? And someones rant did not erase. ;)
I don't see it to be a big deal, its not like trainers are competing in novice or amateur classes. That is why there are class divisions even at ranch horse shows.

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Originally Posted by Inga    
I am sure this is a stupid question but... can any breed show in the "stock horse pleasure?" It seems like the actual goal is to have a horse that could maneuver about on a ranch so... any breed? Forgive my ignorance as this is all new to me.
Not a stupid question.

If it is a ranch horse type association, for example, American Stock Horse Association or Stock Horse Of Texas shows any breed can show. But in breed shows say for example, American Paint Horse Association, they use American Stock Horse Association Rules for their stock horses classes. So of course they have to be a Paint horse. AQHA has their own set of rules for their stock horse classes. At the lower local levels of breed shows sometimes they offer open breed classes.
     
    10-10-2012, 02:07 PM
  #28
Yearling
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Originally Posted by COWCHICK77    
I don't see it to be a big deal, its not like trainers are competing in novice or amateur classes. That is why there are class divisions even at ranch horse shows.

Funny story though not a typical thing. Many years ago there was a family that showed at all the class A shows and even had a few World Champions in their barn. The woman would bring a few of her horses to a few of the local open shows. Once beat by other horses, she would up the anti by bringing out her "big dogs" to show so she could win. It was truly pathetic. She also had her daughter show her Class A park horse at a 4H show.

Again, THAT is not typical. This woman was just sad. I felt sorry for her daughter too because no matter how hard she tried, she couldn't win enough. She couldn't do things right by her mothers standards and she was always reminded of the money spent on her "fine show horses." and how she needed to ride harder.

For me, it was to start a youngster and give them a bit of experience in the ring and the hussle and bussle of the show grounds without the cost of the big entry fees and so on.


Not a stupid question.

If it is a ranch horse type association, for example, American Stock Horse Association or Stock Horse Of Texas shows any breed can show. But in breed shows say for example, American Paint Horse Association, they use American Stock Horse Association Rules for their stock horses classes. So of course they have to be a Paint horse. AQHA has their own set of rules for their stock horse classes. At the lower local levels of breed shows sometimes they offer open breed classes.


Alright, Thank you. Might be fun to try a class like that some day with a "non typical stock horse" wouldn't have to invest in anything fancy to do so.
     
    10-12-2012, 05:13 PM
  #29
Weanling
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Originally Posted by stevenson    
if you compete and win in say an A class show, why go practise at a B show, go practise at your A Show, and leave the smaller less expensive classes for those that show there all the time. How would you feel if there was a AAA show and then they came and Practised at your show that cost you,and your hopes and left you standing off with no wins?? And someones rant did not erase. ;)
We practice at open and local shows because it is cheaper and it doesn't matter. It doesn't go on our horse's record and (probably going to hurt someone's feelings here) but it doesn't matter to us, really.

I get that for some people a schooling show is a big deal, but for the people who do breed shows and elect to go to a schooling show it's because they want to SCHOOL their horse. I'm not going to blow a pattern at a big AQHA or APHA show to fix something in front of a judge or trainers that are also judges that may see my horse in the future. I will happily blow that $8 class at an open show because that's what that show is there for.
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    10-12-2012, 06:27 PM
  #30
Yearling
^ what she said, and believe me....we wouldn't ruin the class for anyone else. A schooling show is just that....an open schooling show for ANYONE that wants to school...period.
     

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