Bosal? - The Horse Forum
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 14 Old 09-05-2011, 12:59 PM Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 726
• Horses: 4

I have had my 7 yr old paint gelding for about a year and a half now. I won't go into his past in great detail but just to make a long story short- he basicly was started by a novice rider who put him into a correction bit to start him, he learned to suck up bethind the verticle which lead to teach him to run backwards and rear. "Trainer" left him out to pasture for 2 yrs and then gave him to me as a showmanship horse because she said he was unridable due to his rearing issue.

Well I got him past all the resistant issues he learned from improper riding, other than the issue of him going behind the verticle. I've had several trainers help him get him past this issue but with no success...

Sometimes at home I simply just ride him in a halter, at this point I basicly do anything to avoid him sucking back. He is much calmer and relaxed with out a bit, keeps his head at a nice level and natural position and listens a lot better.

So I am thinking of getting a bosal to ride him in. My question is- can you show a 7yr old in a bosal in WP?


Last edited by crimson88; 09-05-2011 at 01:04 PM.
crimson88 is offline  
Sponsored Links
post #2 of 14 Old 09-05-2011, 03:10 PM
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 646
• Horses: 0
Some places may have different rules, but I'm pretty sure, that's only allowed for the younger horses. Like the two and three year olds or something like that, then snaffes up to five, and then a curb any older than five.

But if it's a schooling show, I don't think it would matter all that much. Check with the organization of where you're showing. What bit do you use, when you ride with a bridle?

"You're just as sane as I am."~Luna Lovegood.
DejaVu is offline  
post #3 of 14 Old 09-06-2011, 08:45 AM Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 726
• Horses: 4
I kinda figured. At home I use a half cheek but in shows I use an argentine snaffle.

crimson88 is offline  
post #4 of 14 Old 09-06-2011, 09:13 AM Thread Starter
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 726
• Horses: 4
Ok so here are some pictures showing what he does-

Just so you know I am riding him in an argentine snaffle here with two hands. These pictures were taken after he had an 8mon break due to bad weather and he was really feeling his oats. He does this though regardless of any bit/hand postion/ect. He also gets very tense and chews violantly at the bit. And I am not sure why my hands are so high, enless I was just being tense aswell cause he had a big motor that day.

So basicly when I ride him in a halter or side pull he immediatly turns into a different horse. Head goes into natural position, he totally loosens up, relaxes, and collects himelf.


Last edited by crimson88; 09-06-2011 at 09:21 AM.
crimson88 is offline  
post #5 of 14 Old 10-06-2011, 05:08 PM
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Iowa Park, TX
Posts: 1,283
• Horses: 4
I'm not an expert, nor have i ever road western pleasure, just for pleasure. But, we had a horse that would "worry" the bit to death. Bought a bit with a roller in the middle (and i'm sure it has a name that everyone else knows, but it's evading me), he could roll the little roller with his tongue, and he quit chewing the bit..... Don't know if it will help yours, but helped ours.
nuisance is offline  
post #6 of 14 Old 10-06-2011, 05:24 PM
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Greenville area / SC
Posts: 13,165
• Horses: 3
It may be your hands and body language (tenseness). In the first picture, your high hands can cause a lower head. In the second one, you have a lot of contact.

I'm not arguing with you, I'm just explaining why I'm right.

Nothing sucks more than that moment during an argument when you realize you're wrong.

It's not always what you say but what they hear.
iridehorses is offline  
post #7 of 14 Old 10-06-2011, 06:19 PM
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 22,258
• Horses: 0
Answer to your first question, no, in almost every show, the only one's permitted in a bosal are under 5 years old.

How I would work on fixing the problem? Completely forget about his headset and training for WP for the forseeable future. Put him in a nice snaffle (get rid of the curb bit for now because I'll bet that the curb and poll pressure are a part of his problem) and then just go ride him. Take him out on trails, for miles, days, weeks, months. Don't ever work on putting his head anywhere. Only pick up on the reins when you want to cue him to do something like turn or stop. Let him relax out and be a horse and let him pack the bit and get used to it. Leave your reins ridiculously long so that he never feels the pressure on his face. Let him figure out for himself where to keep his head. Judging by his confo and the way he rides, he'll probably never have a high headset so you don't need to worry about that.

Give him a job, something to do that doesn't include going in countless circles with someone constantly nagging his mouth. Give him something interesting to do so that he has something to look up for and he'll start to carry his head the way a normal horse should.
smrobs is offline  
post #8 of 14 Old 10-06-2011, 06:44 PM
Green Broke
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Olds, AB Canada
Posts: 2,749
• Horses: 2
You could also try a rubber coated snaffle, it will be less hard than just metal ones.

Horses are scared of two things... Things that move and things that don't.
Ray MacDonald is offline  
post #9 of 14 Old 10-12-2011, 03:31 PM
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Manitoba
Posts: 311
• Horses: 0
I agree with smrobs. You said he moves naturally in a halter or sidepull, so getting rid of the leverage and retraining is what I would do.
reiningfan is offline  
post #10 of 14 Old 11-01-2011, 06:39 PM
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Coastal NC.
Posts: 418
• Horses: 1
I hate to say this, but the problem could also be partially you. In the first picture your hands are up, WP riders do this to collect their horse up more. He knows that and is collecting behind. In the second picture you have way way way too much contact on the reins, forcing him behind the verticle. WP requires a super loose rein, no contact and very very subtle cues. I believe this horse could do that, if you give him the slack. Would love to see some pics with a slack rein.

Put him in a loose ring french link snaffle, get rid of everything to do with shanks and curbs for now, the leverage is going to put him behind at this point - no matter what. And learn to ride with your seat more, instead of the reins. Really work on just riding him around, nothing special, don't work on his frame/head/neck - go on trails, learn to jump, do something! But get out of the rut you are in.

Good luck, he is a beautiful horse.

Add: These types of bits are meant for neck reining on a loose rein, not split reining.
Ray MacDonald likes this.

Last edited by nherridge; 11-01-2011 at 06:43 PM.
nherridge is offline  

Quick Reply

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the The Horse Forum forums, you must first register.

Already have a Horse Forum account?
Members are allowed only one account per person at the Horse Forum, so if you've made an account here in the past you'll need to continue using that account. Please do not create a new account or you may lose access to the Horse Forum. If you need help recovering your existing account, please Contact Us. We'll be glad to help!

New to the Horse Forum?
Please choose a username you will be satisfied with using for the duration of your membership at the Horse Forum. We do not change members' usernames upon request because that would make it difficult for everyone to keep track of who is who on the forum. For that reason, please do not incorporate your horse's name into your username so that you are not stuck with a username related to a horse you may no longer have some day, or use any other username you may no longer identify with or care for in the future.

User Name:
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:


Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.

Old Thread Warning
This thread is more than 90 days old. When a thread is this old, it is often better to start a new thread rather than post to it. However, If you feel you have something of value to add to this particular thread, you can do so by checking the box below before submitting your post.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Bosal ... Chele11 Horse Training 7 03-26-2011 05:11 AM
How should a bosal fit? Beling Natural Horsemanship 25 09-11-2010 09:11 PM
should I just go with a bosal? Alicia Horse Training 12 08-04-2010 07:33 PM
Bosal Pro CAN Tack 10 06-20-2010 02:40 PM
Bosal MrsSnyder Horse Tack and Equipment 9 08-28-2007 09:58 AM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome