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        02-28-2014, 06:16 AM
      #21
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by barrelbeginner    
    Thanks for all the responses guys! I will post a video of both my horses on here and would love some crituque on how they are doing. I AM going to be showing this summer WP and halter classes with both of my geldings. ( So I have experience and am not just going straight to fair)..

    I do agree my boys won't make it to world shows and don't have the sloooooooooow jog and lope. But within me working on all this I have gotten my boys to listen to my seat and leg cues 10000% more so either way its helping:)
    Looking forward to seeing your horses and your vids!
         
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        02-28-2014, 09:30 AM
      #22
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
    Sure WP is about what was is natural for the horse, BUT the big key in it is...no matter what level....is RELAXATION at all 3 gaits. That always does mean super slow, but it DOES means a relaxed horse, on a loose rein, that know how to rate and stay there.
    ??? Which is exactly what I said before that you disagreed with.

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    Originally Posted by beau159    

    By that definition, why can't ANY horse be taught to travel straight, relaxed, smooth, and on a loose rein, and do well at a small local show like 4H? Why is that doing it wrong?
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    Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
    I disagree with you...that's all.
    I guess that's why I'm super confused about some of your replies on this particular thread.
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        02-28-2014, 01:34 PM
      #23
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by beau159    
    ??? Which is exactly what I said before that you disagreed with.





    I guess that's why I'm super confused about some of your replies on this particular thread.
    I don't know why you are confused. WP has 3 distinct gaits....a walk, a jog and a lope....and they are all slower and relaxed, so yes....a WP horse still needs to be slow. At the lower levels....not super slow like a World beater, but still slow. You wouldn't take a horse in a Hunt Seat class and have them jog and lope...you would have the horse trot and canter. There's a difference, and not all horses can do that which is why WP is not for every horse.
         
        03-01-2014, 08:37 AM
      #24
    Foal
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    Originally Posted by beau159    

    Anyway, I'm glad to hear that I've been doing western pleasure WRONG all these years just because I don't have a horse that is capable of doing this:


    In that case, most of us are doing it wrong. I certainly have never had a horse like this!! However, if somebody wanted to drop Vino at the barn I'm sure we could find room for him.

    WP is all about cadence, consistancy and relaxation. Mr PH judges a lot of low to mid-range shows and we show QH & Paint so end up seeing the full range that's out there. The class is certainly not for those horses who find themselves looking at the long side of the pen and feel the need to get to the next corner as quickly as possible. At lower levels, things like pace & neck carriage become less important - barring running away and the giraffe look. The judge *should* be looking at quality of movement, degree and consistancy of self carriage, steady pace (as opposed to degree of slowness) - in short, the horse should look pleasurable to ride. Are these lower level horses likely to ever be competitive with the "born & bred" WP horses? Not on your life. That doesn't mean their riders can't have fun with class.
         
        03-01-2014, 09:20 AM
      #25
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
    You wouldn't take a horse in a Hunt Seat class and have them jog and lope...you would have the horse trot and canter.
    I'm confused because you keep making points like this. No one has suggested that it is acceptable to trot fast and canter fast in a WP class. Just like no one has suggested you should jog slow and lope slow in a hunter class. So I am not sure why you even bring that up?
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        03-01-2014, 09:39 AM
      #26
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
    I don't know why you are confused. WP has 3 distinct gaits....a walk, a jog and a lope....and they are all slower and relaxed, so yes....a WP horse still needs to be slow. At the lower levels....not super slow like a World beater, but still slow. You wouldn't take a horse in a Hunt Seat class and have them jog and lope...you would have the horse trot and canter. There's a difference, and not all horses can do that which is why WP is not for every horse.
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    Originally Posted by beau159    
    I'm confused because you keep making points like this. No one has suggested that it is acceptable to trot fast and canter fast in a WP class. Just like no one has suggested you should jog slow and lope slow in a hunter class. So I am not sure why you even bring that up?
    Beau, I've been confused as well. I get the feeling that GotaDun feels like each horse should be a one discipline horse.

    This bothers me with a lot of disciplines. People who are experienced in some disciplines act like no one can do it as well as them and they discourage anyone from trying even low level classes. Instead, if a barrel racer wants to teach her horse to slow down and function in an arena in a controlled way, we should be bending over backwards to help her because she wants to do something new and different.

    Should we encourage a halter bred horse to get into high level jumping? Probably not the best idea for the horse's health, but this is a case of nothing but the best for the horse's mind.

    This girl is not trying to qualify for a world show, she wants to show in 4-H. GO FOR IT!
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        03-01-2014, 09:40 AM
      #27
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by beau159    
    I'm confused because you keep making points like this. No one has suggested that it is acceptable to trot fast and canter fast in a WP class. Just like no one has suggested you should jog slow and lope slow in a hunter class. So I am not sure why you even bring that up?
    Hmmmm....you don't get what Im trying to say, do you. So, maybe this will be understandable:

    Some horses simply can not rate themselves to a somewhat jog or lope that is acceptable to fit the requirements of the class. So, NO....not just about every horse can do WP.

    The same can be said for a Hunt Seat Pleasure class.....and I was using that as an example.
         
        03-01-2014, 09:48 AM
      #28
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Fowl Play    
    Beau, I've been confused as well. I get the feeling that GotaDun feels like each horse should be a one discipline horse.

    This bothers me with a lot of disciplines. People who are experienced in some disciplines act like no one can do it as well as them and they discourage anyone from trying even low level classes. Instead, if a barrel racer wants to teach her horse to slow down and function in an arena in a controlled way, we should be bending over backwards to help her because she wants to do something new and different.

    Should we encourage a halter bred horse to get into high level jumping? Probably not the best idea for the horse's health, but this is a case of nothing but the best for the horse's mind.

    This girl is not trying to qualify for a world show, she wants to show in 4-H. GO FOR IT!
    Please do not assume....I LOVE all-around horses. But I also believe that horses have an aptitude for certain jobs and THAT needs to be paid attention to, OTHERWISE....you are doing the horse a disservice by trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. I'm confused as to why people on here are not understanding that. The OP's horse could very well hold it's own in a WP class, and yes it IS good for a timed event horse to do other things besides always go fast. But we don't know that because we haven't seen a vid yet (which I''m looking forward to seeing!).

    What you guys are missing...is my point, that I answered the question, which is the title of this thread...."Can any horse just about do pleasure". I answered that ORIGINAL question, and will stand by my answer.
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        03-01-2014, 09:57 AM
      #29
    Weanling
    GotaDun, she wants to show 4-h. 4-h is for youth, any breed, and any skill level. We should never discourage a 4-Her from trying it out. There is nothing wrong with saying "you probably won't qualify for the world show", but we should NEVER discourage a 4-H kid from trying something out. As a 4-H leader, I know that very few gaming horses get a chance to slow down, and when they do, they're usually a lot happier.

    I am a 4-H parent, of a kid who took a finished barrel horse and turned her into a 4-H level WP horse. I am a 4-H leader, and I am a riding instructor who gives lessons to several 4-H kids. Maybe I'm a little opinionated in this area, but why pigeon hole kids and tell them their horse might not be able to do it. LET THEM TRY!
         
        03-01-2014, 10:12 AM
      #30
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by Fowl Play    
    GotaDun, she wants to show 4-h. 4-h is for youth, any breed, and any skill level. We should never discourage a 4-Her from trying it out. There is nothing wrong with saying "you probably won't qualify for the world show", but we should NEVER discourage a 4-H kid from trying something out. As a 4-H leader, I know that very few gaming horses get a chance to slow down, and when they do, they're usually a lot happier.

    I am a 4-H parent, of a kid who took a finished barrel horse and turned her into a 4-H level WP horse. I am a 4-H leader, and I am a riding instructor who gives lessons to several 4-H kids. Maybe I'm a little opinionated in this area, but why pigeon hole kids and tell them their horse might not be able to do it. LET THEM TRY!

    Yes, I know that....4H is all about getting an education with your horse. But once again, you have missed my point entirely...big sigh. I never singled out the OP and her horse as not being suitable for WP. What I DID in my posts, was answer OP's question....the title of this thread! Not sure why you don't understand that.
         

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