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  • Western pleasure is stupid
  • Is western pleasure the same thing as western dressage?

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    08-08-2012, 04:08 PM
  #91
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Believe me, Anebel-noone is trying to make you jealous at all, I have no desire to have a dressage horse. I will, however, continue to see the benefits of keeping my mind open to other disciplines to take TOOLS from what they use to better my horse in my discipline. I have no illusions that what I do is rocket science or exclusive of all else.
BTW-how about at least picking a GOOD example of a reiner......they do not typically go around with their "mouths gaping" any more than a dressage horse goes around in a rollkeur. PLEASE.
And with regard to the traverse I was referring to-the entire horse, in a straight line head to tail, moving diagonally across the ring at a lope.I said NOTHING about winging the butt around. Not sure where you got that.
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    08-08-2012, 04:09 PM
  #92
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
So we agree that basic good training is all the same. However, we call it different things. What you call "dressage" I call "foundation training" and what I call "dressage" you call unachievable. I believe that with good foundation training a horse can do any sport well, and that dressage is an Olympic discipline with specific, regimented requirements for how the horse is trained and is to execute the movements. To do dressage under my definition requires years of strengthening and conditioning, plenty of knowledge from the rider and coaching team and is a very difficult endeavor. To have anyone lower the word "dressage" to mean "Look I can w/t/c and go sideways and my horse doesn't fall over" is demeaning and insulting to those of us who have dedicated our lives to the pursuit of perfection in the SPORT of dressage.
As bsms said, calling this dressage:

Robs us of a word for this:

You know I find this very very insulting. I have several friends who will NEVER be the second picture yet spend hours day just about every day working and riding Dressage. They spend good money on working with some top GP level trainers go to some of the best shows in the area to show. What you are saying is that what they are doing is not Dressage? Really? I really do feel bad for you. That would be like me saying that just b/c a horse only slides 7 feet and not 35 feet and that horses can not turn as fast as mine even though both are done CORRECTLY that some how you are demeaning reining b/c you and your horse are not to my level. That is about the most stupid thing I have ever heard.

I will agree that the first picture is not good. I can not speak to what the rider was trying to do but from that point in time was not what I would consider good.

Again there are many levels of reining many levels of Dressage and any other discipline you can think of out there To say that lower level horse is some how demeaning a higher level horse is just ludicriss.

Every discipline has something to offer others. If you can not see that again I feel for you.
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    08-08-2012, 04:13 PM
  #93
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NRHA I don't know where you've been when I've posted threads with videos of my horse jumping, talking about taking him trail riding, posting about getting started in WP and schooling showmanship with him. My horse also lives outside 24/7 in the summer.
I actually end up cross training a lot more than most if not all the dressage riders I know, so yeah, you could say not all dressage riders are like me. And FYI I actually have been nationally ranked in the top 10 in my age group in reining prior to selling my QH, who I also did dressage and hunters on, and focusing on dressage.

FYI jaydee there's lower levels in EVERY sport. So you could say that low level hunters is the foundation for everything, or low level reining, or low level competitive trail, etc... when in fact is is having a good FOUNDATION of training that allows you to do a low level of any sport. Any low level horse with a good foundation should be able to do a low level dressage test, a low level jumper course, a low level reining pattern, a low level competitive trail ride, etc... because any sport at the lowest levels simply requires basic, foundation training. Dressage is not special in that regard.
     
    08-08-2012, 04:15 PM
  #94
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But NRHA-that is one of the huge differences I have found going from an English discipline to reining. Reining folks are supportive of their "greenies" and amatuers. Some other disciplines tend to "eat their young".
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    08-08-2012, 04:19 PM
  #95
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
You know I find this very very insulting. I have several friends who will NEVER be the second picture yet spend hours day just about every day working and riding Dressage. They spend good money on working with some top GP level trainers go to some of the best shows in the area to show. What you are saying is that what they are doing is not Dressage? Really? I really do feel bad for you. That would be like me saying that just b/c a horse only slides 7 feet and not 35 feet and that horses can not turn as fast as mine even though both are done CORRECTLY that some how you are demeaning reining b/c you and your horse are not to my level. That is about the most stupid thing I have ever heard.

I will agree that the first picture is not good. I can not speak to what the rider was trying to do but from that point in time was not what I would consider good.

Again there are many levels of reining many levels of Dressage and any other discipline you can think of out there To say that lower level horse is some how demeaning a higher level horse is just ludicriss.

Every discipline has something to offer others. If you can not see that again I feel for you.
So this is also called reining?

Look she's warming up to do her lower level reining pattern!!
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    08-08-2012, 04:31 PM
  #96
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
NRHA I don't know where you've been when I've posted threads with videos of my horse jumping, talking about taking him trail riding, posting about getting started in WP and schooling showmanship with him. My horse also lives outside 24/7 in the summer.


Well since I do not stalk your posts and this forum is quite large I do not see very post by ever person on here. I will say that is great but nothing new. The mare I posted that picture of does all those things also. My rieners do many other things including trail riding and other events and oh yes they live outside most of the time too. Not a big deal. That is how horses should live and I think out side a training barn most do.

I actually end up cross training a lot more than most if not all the dressage riders I know, so yeah, you could say not all dressage riders are like me.
Most of the Dressage riders I know trail ride some even jump some use to jump but are getting older and choise not to. So while these things are not exclusive to you I will say that they do not share your opinion on non dressage horses doing Dressage. Again I can say I am glad of that.
And FYI I actually have been nationally ranked in the top 10 in my age group in reining prior to selling my QH, Really? That is great. In NRHA? Would love to hear more about it. who I also did dressage and hunters on, and focusing on dressage. So you of all people should see the benifites of using Dressage in other events.

FYI jaydee there's lower levels in EVERY sport. So you could say that low level hunters is the foundation for everything, or low level reining, or low level competitive trail, etc... when in fact is is having a good FOUNDATION of training that allows you to do a low level of any sport. Any low level horse with a good foundation should be able to do a low level dressage test, a low level jumper course, a low level reining pattern, a low level competitive trail ride, etc... because any sport at the lowest levels simply requires basic, foundation training. Dressage is not special in that regard.
There really is not lower level to reining. While they do have lower classes so a beginner does not have to show with Mandy. The fact is that a Green reiner runs the same paterns that Shawn runs. They are all scored the same way.

Then things is that even with basic foundtion training you still use things that will move your horse up. When I either start or my trainer starts one of my horses they spend the first 2-3 months never leaving the walk/trot and in that time that horse learns to move every inch of their body and move different parts different ways in combination with other parts of their bady. This is where a lot of the Dressage things come into play. You may not be able to see the benifite from doing these things but I know a lot of people that do.
     
    08-08-2012, 04:33 PM
  #97
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
NRHA I don't know where you've been when I've posted threads with videos of my horse jumping, talking about taking him trail riding, posting about getting started in WP and schooling showmanship with him. My horse also lives outside 24/7 in the summer.
I actually end up cross training a lot more than most if not all the dressage riders I know, so yeah, you could say not all dressage riders are like me. And FYI I actually have been nationally ranked in the top 10 in my age group in reining prior to selling my QH, who I also did dressage and hunters on, and focusing on dressage.

FYI jaydee there's lower levels in EVERY sport. So you could say that low level hunters is the foundation for everything, or low level reining, or low level competitive trail, etc... when in fact is is having a good FOUNDATION of training that allows you to do a low level of any sport. Any low level horse with a good foundation should be able to do a low level dressage test, a low level jumper course, a low level reining pattern, a low level competitive trail ride, etc... because any sport at the lowest levels simply requires basic, foundation training. Dressage is not special in that regard.
Sorry but whats with the FYI? Sounds very confrontational
I will say again - dressage as a style of riding was the forerunner of all English riding styles which no doubt spun off into western riding too, the fact that different sports cropped up and went off in tangents is neither here nor there, neither is the fact that some people opt to take it to another level and call it a competition and some don't. The basics from the original foundation are still in place. If you look at the riding style in show classes in the UK you would see that they are very close to the riding style in a dressage test because that's how people are taught
I actually think its a real shame that some dressage people have to 'over egg' the whole thing and make it seem too complicated and pretentious which actually deters a lot of average riders from getting involved in it at the bottom level to the detriment of the sport as a whole.
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    08-08-2012, 04:38 PM
  #98
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
So this is also called reining?

Look she's warming up to do her lower level reining pattern!!

I would call that anything but riding a horse.

Again there is no such thing as a lower level reining patern. If you had actually shown reining you would know that.
     
    08-08-2012, 04:39 PM
  #99
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So let me get this straight. It's NOT pretentious to say "dressage is the basis of all riding" and it IS pretentious to state "dressage is an Olympic sport"??

Hmm...
     
    08-08-2012, 04:40 PM
  #100
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Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
I would call that anything but riding a horse.

Again there is no such thing as a lower level reining patern. If you had actually shown reining you would know that.
Ok so that's not a reining horse, but this is a dressage horse?




Are you seeing the double standard yet???


ETA: Oh so reining just starts at Olympic levels? Wow you better go tell all the reining associations that offer youth reining, amateur reining, etc.. at their shows.
     

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