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        08-08-2012, 05:30 PM
      #111
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    Again - where did I say that you weren't supportive - I have no idea of what you do so why would I say that. I said that its the pretentious people who are usually the least supportive because the more complicated they make something the better it makes them look. I did not say you were pretentious.
    I also can't see how stating a historic fact about the origins of modern day horse riding is pretentious. I'm interested in the history of the human race as a whole and its origins and the horse has played a major role in the journey. Does the desire to learn and gain knowledge in any subject from pop music to motor bikes to space travel make a person pretententious? I hope not as that's pretty much going to throw education out of the window.
         
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        08-08-2012, 05:33 PM
      #112
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    Originally Posted by franknbeans    
    Please note-Anebel-YOU are the ONLY one using the word pretentious. Just thought I would point that out.

    I have no idea what your point is to keep posting random horses.

    Yes, us greenies is NRHA run the same patterns as the top riders in the world do. It is not like other disciplines in that sense. Difference is my usual score is LESS than the baseline of 70, while the experienced folks are over that. I have never found a more supportive group in my life. Not "pretentious" at all.

    I will add a bit to this. Lest say I run patern 5. I hate that one but I will use it. Lets say I run that in my Rookie class and I get a 69.5. Chances are that would win my class. Now lets say that the open was also running that same patern for their class. If I could take my run in the Rookie and run it in the Open. The exact same run no better no worse. I would still get a 69.5 for my run. Things is that score would not place me very well in the open where it would take a 72-73 to win that class. That is the difference in NRHA.

    In that same note. A run here in Ohio that gets a 72 should under NRHA rules get the same score for the same run in Ca. If I taped myself doing a reining class and mailed it to 10 NRHA judged they should all come back with the same score with in a point.
         
        08-08-2012, 05:36 PM
      #113
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    I'm saying that lower level movements are not exclusive to dressage.

    A football player might lift weights to improve his football, but he's not going to do Olympic weightlifting and be C & J-ing 600kg!

    The football player doesn't lift weights to get better at lifting weights and his goal is not to be doing Olympic weightlifting, so if someone asks him what he's doing in the gym he's going to say "lifting weights" not "practicing Olympic weightlifting".
    Same with using basic principles to improve any horse. If you're yielding the horse off your leg while training a reining horse and someone asks you what you're doing - it's not "practicing Olympic dressage" it's "doing a leg yield". Calling it something it's not is just incorrect. If I'm trail riding my dressage horse, I'm not training for an endurance competition even though I might be working on conditioning.


    ETA: Well now you're calling me pretentious jaydee so pick one - am I pretentious or unsupportive? It's not like I really care either way but I would like to know exactly how you perceive my actions/words so I can fix them and make myself a better person. Heck maybe I can make it to the next Olympics in reining if I start training now. I mean my horse already knows enough dressage the switch can't be too tough - because dressage is the basis of everything, right?
         
        08-08-2012, 05:42 PM
      #114
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    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    I'm saying that lower level movements are not exclusive to dressage.

    A football player might lift weights to improve his football, but he's not going to do Olympic weightlifting and be C & J-ing 600kg!

    The football player doesn't lift weights to get better at lifting weights and his goal is not to be doing Olympic weightlifting, so if someone asks him what he's doing in the gym he's going to say "lifting weights" not "practicing Olympic weightlifting".
    Same with using basic principles to improve any horse. If you're yielding the horse off your leg while training a reining horse and someone asks you what you're doing - it's not "practicing Olympic dressage" it's "doing a leg yield". Calling it something it's not is just incorrect. If I'm trail riding my dressage horse, I'm not training for an endurance competition even though I might be working on conditioning.


    ETA: Well now you're calling me pretentious jaydee so pick one - am I pretentious or unsupportive?

    Where but you did anyone claim to be doing Olympic Dressage? I like the football player am doing things to improve what I do. Reining. He lifts weights I do leg yeilds and half passes and so on. I am doing them not to make a Olympic level Dressage horse. I am doing them to make a top level reining horse. See how that works. The football player lifts to improve what he does I so different things with my horses to improve what they do.
         
        08-08-2012, 05:47 PM
      #115
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    Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
    Where but you did anyone claim to be doing Olympic Dressage? I like the football player am doing things to improve what I do. Reining. He lifts weights I do leg yeilds and half passes and so on. I am doing them not to make a Olympic level Dressage horse. I am doing them to make a top level reining horse. See how that works. The football player lifts to improve what he does I so different things with my horses to improve what they do.
    So you agree that the football player DOES NOT do Olympic weightlifting to help his football, but instead lifts weights.
    And that you DO NOT do dressage to help your reining, but are simply practicing non-discipline specific maneuvers.

    Good, all settled now :)
         
        08-08-2012, 05:48 PM
      #116
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    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    It's not like I really care either way but I would like to know exactly how you perceive my actions/words so I can fix them and make myself a better person. Heck maybe I can make it to the next Olympics in reining if I start training now. I mean my horse already knows enough dressage the switch can't be too tough - because dressage is the basis of everything, right?
    Since you added this since I replied I will address it now.

    Again not sure where you get that anything being talked about here has anything to do with being an Olympic level horse??

    Again I will say it again just incase you missed it. I am not looking to make my reiners in to a GP level Dressage horse. What I am doing is taking the SAME tools you use to build your horse to build mine. Then I am taking those tools that my horse has learned and braking them down using parts of them to improve parts of each maneuver.

    Lets say I am not getting a good clean turn. There are a lot of things that cause this. So now what? Now I need to brake down the turn and ask myself why what is going wrong? Once I do that I can then look at ways to improve on that one part. Then I put it all back together.

    Cueing the stop is a good example of this.
         
        08-08-2012, 05:53 PM
      #117
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    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    So you agree that the football player DOES NOT do Olympic weightlifting to help his football, but instead lifts weights.
    And that you DO NOT do dressage to help your reining, but are simply practicing non-discipline specific maneuvers.

    Good, all settled now :)
    NO I do not agree. You can call it settled if you would like. Lifting weights is lifting weights. It still builds muscle. It still needs to be done correclty or it will not help. You can lift weight all day long but if you do not do it correctly it will not help. Chances are you will end up getting hurt.

    So while you may not look at a leg yeild as a Dressage movement. I do. It is a movement called for in a Dressage test so with that being said it is a Dressage movement/maneuver. So yes it is Dressage.

    Just like a 7 foot sliding stop is still a sliding stop as long as it is done correctly. Now it may not score like a 35 foot sliding stop but both are still sliding stops. The point is not the added difficulty the point is that they are BOTH CORRECT.
         
        08-08-2012, 05:53 PM
      #118
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    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    So you agree that the football player DOES NOT do Olympic weightlifting to help his football, but instead lifts weights.
    And that you DO NOT do dressage to help your reining, but are simply practicing non-discipline specific maneuvers.

    Good, all settled now :)
    Quoted for emphasis.
         
        08-08-2012, 05:59 PM
      #119
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    Originally Posted by nrhareiner    
    NO I do not agree. You can call it settled if you would like. Lifting weights is lifting weights. It still builds muscle. It still needs to be done correclty or it will not help. You can lift weight all day long but if you do not do it correctly it will not help. Chances are you will end up getting hurt.

    So while you may not look at a leg yeild as a Dressage movement. I do. It is a movement called for in a Dressage test so with that being said it is a Dressage movement/maneuver. So yes it is Dressage.

    Just like a 7 foot sliding stop is still a sliding stop as long as it is done correctly. Now it may not score like a 35 foot sliding stop but both are still sliding stops. The point is not the added difficulty the point is that they are BOTH CORRECT.

    Right back at you.
         
        08-08-2012, 06:01 PM
      #120
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    Actually, maybe I'll try cutting. Or do you think all the dressage training my horse has would be better applied to barrels? Hmm....

    ETA I bet he'd run 1D because of all the dressage he does.
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