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post #131 of 265 Old 08-08-2012, 06:35 PM
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See here is the differance between you and myself. I would say come on and enter a Green class. You will have fun. You may even score well. Since you have the control needed to perform the maneuvers. Now will you win against a finished reiner with sliders on with a rider who can actually get that horse show? Maybe, maybe not but you would still have a good chance of getting a decent score coming home with a bit of money and have A LOT of fun.

Keep in mind that to get a 70 in reining all you need to do is stay on patern and peform the maneuvers as discribed. Meaning CORRECTLY. See how that word keeps coming up. It is not about the level you show at it is about doing things correcly. It is about taking that tool and using when needed.
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Ok maybe my sarcasm isn't loud enough...

What I meant to say is that my horse has SO MUCH CORRECT DRESSAGE TRAINING that he MUST BE the next WORLD CHAMPION reiner AND cutter AND WP horse AND gaming horse AND endurance horse. His Dressage is just so good that he can beat any horse ever in any discipline because Dressage is the basis of life. Throw out your bible and pick up a Dressage omnibus.
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post #132 of 265 Old 08-08-2012, 06:41 PM
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Well when I canter in a circle on a long rein I don't call it reining...

ETA why thank you FnB I do have a lot of fun on my horse especially winning trail classes. However in FEI dressage its considered respectful to have a solemn look on your face while competing.
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If your "dressage" horse neck reins and will stay on a perfect circle without contact-go for it! You will, however, have to use a shanked bit.......since I am guessing your horse is over 6......and-no noseband to keep his mouth shut. (especially a figure 8)

That solemn look is probably why it seems that many folks think they are way too serious and not enjoying what they do. Perhaps they need to lighten up a bit.

Just because I use manuevers commonly used in the discipline of dressage I do not, in any way, shape or form say I am doing dressage. I am simply using a tool from that discipline and may credit that discipline for it. Period. Believe me-I have NO desire to ride dressage-or I would be.

Oh-and for the record-I do agree with you that dressage is NOT the basis of everything in the world. But, as with anything, it has some good things to offer, and I am open to them, altho I loathe it, actually.
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I am slightly offended that after over 30 years of working with dressage coaches and trainers on my horses in proper dressage attire and tack to find out here I don't do Dressage. Because I choose to compete with those same horses in barrel racing, team penning, ranch sorting. Competing in an actual dressage show doesn't rock my boat so I train in what I always believed was dressage and compete very successfully in very western events. Those same horses also do ranch work.
Oh well, I just ride because I love it anyway...I will no longer say I ride Dressage when I get asked about my riding and the training I do with my horses by the western riders I compete against.
Please excuse my sarcasm. Yes I will continue to proudly say I do dressage but choose to compete in western events.
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Ok maybe my sarcasm isn't loud enough...

What I meant to say is that my horse has SO MUCH CORRECT DRESSAGE TRAINING that he MUST BE the next WORLD CHAMPION reiner AND cutter AND WP horse AND gaming horse AND endurance horse. His Dressage is just so good that he can beat any horse ever in any discipline because Dressage is the basis of life. Throw out your bible and pick up a Dressage omnibus.
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See again HOW IN THE H... are you getting there? I mean really?

I am not sure why you can not see that I have and do work with Dressage trainers and friends doing Dressage to improve the control I have over my horse.

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See again HOW IN THE H... are you getting there? I mean really?

I am not sure why you can not see that I have and do work with Dressage trainers and friends doing Dressage to improve the control I have over my horse.
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See again HOW IN THE H... are you getting there? I mean really?

I am not sure why you can not see that I have and do work with Dressage trainers and friends doing Dressage to improve the control I have over my horse.
Oh so you mean passage-ing around the barrels won't get me a 1D time? Hmm that's weird because my coach said my horses passage is coming along nicely and since its a dressage maneuver I thought it would be really useful in all other horse sports... weird!
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I am slightly offended that after over 30 years of working with dressage coaches and trainers on my horses in proper dressage attire and tack to find out here I don't do Dressage. Because I choose to compete with those same horses in barrel racing, team penning, ranch sorting. Competing in an actual dressage show doesn't rock my boat so I train in what I always believed was dressage and compete very successfully in very western events. Those same horses also do ranch work.
Oh well, I just ride because I love it anyway...I will no longer say I ride Dressage when I get asked about my riding and the training I do with my horses by the western riders I compete against.
Please excuse my sarcasm. Yes I will continue to proudly say I do dressage but choose to compete in western events.
Cool so knowing how to piaffe/passage must really help you in your ranch work. Collected canter and pirouettes I've always heard are really useful for cattle sorting too... way more useful than that "cow sense" nonsense...
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Not sure why you feel it necessary to be sarcastic and demeaning to everyone. It really, at least to me, serves to confirm the stereotype I have of those who do dressage. Piaffe and passage are not the ONLY maneuvers in dressage, are they? Is there NOTHING that dressage uses that you, in your wildest imagination can see would be helpful to other disciplines and or done correctly by another discipline other than someone 100% devoted to your beloved dressage? Sounds pretty elitist to me, but, that would be what I would expect, after all.........

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Well I tried being reasonable but apparently no one hear can read that dialect.

ETA the whole sport of Dressage isn't useful to other disciplines? Wow that's weird you made it sound like it is!
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Stillstandin, if you ARE training dressage, then you are! Te whole argument I think is about taking certain movements, USO them to further your goals in a completely different discipline, and saying you are training dressage.

Personally, the goals of dressage are completely
Icompatible with my goals as a campdrafter. Sure some bits here and there are helpful, but the goal Of dressage, the way of going and way of carrying, are not useful to me as a campdrafter and speed eventer. I had a dressage lesson once with a good friend who rides high level dressage. It ended up with a frustrated horse and frustrated coach because what she was looking for was not what I had taught him to be successful for me in my disciplines.

I cross train, but with people who are in disciplines that complement mine. I regularly go to clinics with cutters, reiners, reined cowhorse trainers as well as campdrafters. I feel that seriously training in a discipline that doesn't compliment yours will only be detrimental.
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