"How do you know that some of those cowboys did not know about and under stand Dressage"
Get real. 1906 Texas?
"So your experiance comes from only one horse? Well then you are most definitely an expert."
Unlike a lot of experts here, I explain HOW & WHY I came to certain conclusions. It is called reason. For example, I have said reiners do not use collected gaits per the FEI. That is pretty obvious. If you say they do, then you need to re-read the FEI definition. Unlike some of the experts here, I've been careful to define what I'm talking about.
I've ridden more than one horse, but it only takes one inexperienced horse to teach why the folks in Texas & Arizona rode like they did at the turn of the century. And a lot of those who criticize that style have never tried it on ANY horse.
"Not sure why you think it takes years?"
Maybe because there aren't a lot of dressage horses performing FEI collected gaits in a few months? Maybe because collected gaits are at the end of the dressage training scale, not the beginning?
I've already pointed out that if all 'collection' means is a minor shift of weight to the rear, I can teach collection in 5 seconds - but that collected gaits, as defined by the international body that defines these things, is much different.
"The stringth it takes to do a collected lope is no different then the stringht it takes to perform a 35 foot sliding stop."
Guess that makes the dressage folks really stupid. They take years to do what takes you what? A month? 3 months? It is pretty stupid of dressage to set up a training program that delays accomplishing collected gaits, isn't it!
"You seem to think that one person can not use all the different tech. And pick out what works for a given situation."
If you had READ what I wrote, I pointed out that I do it all the time. My caution was that people need to understand the end goals to make sure they don't adapt a technique that will hurt instead of help.
"BSMS - dressage absolutely is essential to good jumping."
TRAINING is. Dressage, as a sport, is not. If it were, then the first step to jumping would be to pick out a good dressage horse and take dressage lessons. Balance and flexibility in a horse is essential - but balance and flexibility in a horse are pretty important to many riders in many disciplines. Dressage doesn't own the terms for that.
"I say "dressage" as in "training." I say "dressage" as in "how to properly ride and train for an overall balanced horse for almost any discipline," not "go to the Olympics."
If you define dressage as any good riding, then you are correct. But then, if dressage describes any good riding, we have no word left for dressage.
I have this odd idea - maybe because I'm such a rube - that the ruling bodies that govern dressage actually know what it is. If every discipline is dressage, then what is dressage other than another word for riding? In what sense is dressage special or distinctive as a sport, if it means any balanced riding?
If a collected gait is a gait where the horse doesn't fall over, what is special about it and why would people train for it as a GOAL?
"What I do know is that your horse picking where each foot goes rather than rounding up and using itself from back to front will likely prove ineffective and, to be honest, detrimental."
In the desert where I live - as I specified
- picking where each foot goes is life-saving to a horse. There are places where a horse can canter - but darn few. Same for trotting, even. And in a lot of places, a horse that doesn't pick where each foot goes will be a lame horse quick enough.
Since I value trail riding over arena riding, I value letting the horse pick its footing IN SOME TERRAIN.
That isn't one of the goals of dressage. But when learning from other disciplines, it is important to understand what the discipline values and why. THEN you can figure out what to bring over, what needs some changing, and what to leave alone.
That doesn't mean I don't think a dressage horse can do trails. They obviously can - if ridden with an approach that understands the trail is not an arena. At that point, they are trained dressage horses being used as a trail horse -which is fine, provided the rider understands the difference.
Originally Posted by JustDressageIt
...Being nit-picky.... bass is a low note, as in music... the word you're looking for is "base" :)
Here is another hint: "insite" is spelled "insight". Think about it a while...