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    08-13-2012, 05:30 PM
  #231
Foal
Why does it have to be one way vs another? I just want to be able to enjoy my horses, be safe, and know they enjoyed the ride.
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    08-13-2012, 06:55 PM
  #232
Trained
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Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
^ well, I suppose we could always bring up Rollur in Dressage but this is the WP topic, so I wll hold my tongue.
Well Rolkur is part of dressage. Does that mean everyone should start Rolkuring their horses? Because dressage is apparently the basis for all riding.
Or the only things people "using dressage" want to be associated with are the good parts of the sport?
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    08-13-2012, 08:59 PM
  #233
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
Well Rolkur is part of dressage. Does that mean everyone should start Rolkuring their horses? Because dressage is apparently the basis for all riding.
Or the only things people "using dressage" want to be associated with are the good parts of the sport?
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Or hand riding the horse. I've seen plenty of dressage riders who trained their horses to pull like freight trains. Maybe western riders could incorporate that too, since dressage is the basis of all good riding. Ha.
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    08-14-2012, 06:23 AM
  #234
Yearling
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Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
Well Rolkur is part of dressage. Does that mean everyone should start Rolkuring their horses? Because dressage is apparently the basis for all riding.
Or the only things people "using dressage" want to be associated with are the good parts of the sport?
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Oh my....LOL, once again you have missed the point entirely. Actually, I shouldn't LOL, because it really is sad that you lack the understanding of so many posts on here.
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    08-14-2012, 06:24 AM
  #235
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Or hand riding the horse. I've seen plenty of dressage riders who trained their horses to pull like freight trains. Maybe western riders could incorporate that too, since dressage is the basis of all good riding. Ha.
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I'll respond the same way I responded to Anebel....my post went way over your head.
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    08-14-2012, 10:48 AM
  #236
Trained
Wow thanks for calling me stupid :) so that tallies up to how many names I've been called now...?
Oh well I've tried to explain my viewpoint as clearly as possible but apparently it makes me a stupid bitch. I do understand where most people are coming from, however I still find it rude and demeaning, along with conceited, that anyone would suggest one discipline as the basis for all others. Horse training is horse training and each discipline has its own goals, however the methods are strikingly similar. This does not mean that everyone started doing stuff from one majikal discipline, just that good trainers have their stuff figured out and horses tend to act like horses and similar methods tend to work on them. But each discipline has different goals, and to truly and correctly "do" any discipline you must commit yourself to learning it, not just dabble. No discipline is so easy that everyone can just dabble in it.
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    08-14-2012, 11:30 AM
  #237
Trained
First you keep coming back to the statement that dressage is the bases of all training. Outside of mybe the OP no one has said that. All we are saying is that we use dressage in part to work our horses. We are not looking for a dressage horse but can see the benifite from doing it as part of the training. Just like athlets do cross training to improve what they do. Just like you have a degree in something yet you had to take classes in other things that while they may not be what you are going for they have their benifite to what you do wish to do.

Ex: since programing was used earlier. I have taken a lot of programing courses over the years. Not b/c I wanted to be a programer. I have no interest in that. However I needed that info in order to do what I was doing at the time. It was needed to get the degrees I needed. Just like all the math classes I have taken. SO many so that I ended up with a degree in Mathmatices. I had no intent in doing so. Have never used that degree will never use that degree but I had taken so many classes and I only needed a couple more to get there so I did to fill in some credits I needed at the time. Again non of this was my end goal. However it was all very valuble in what I was doing. Same with just about all the other things I have done over the years. Each thing I did was a tool that I could use in other areas.

Although at the end of the day you are correct that if you want to do dressage then do it. However do not be so sort sighted that you can not see that each discipline have things that can offer to others. I have not only used dressage but I have also roped team pened and so many other things over the years and I have found that all these things have come in handy for anything I wish to do with my horses. Heck I have hunted off my reiners in the past. Yes that was just one more form of training.
     
    08-14-2012, 11:44 AM
  #238
Started
No discipline is easy, that is true, but I don't know what the big deal is. I want my horse to be comfortable learning as many disciplines as possible, which all include a good foundation to go on other things. I want a western pleasure horse who can change it up and do hunter under saddle, then I want to do hunter over fences, then I want to do western dressage, and anything else I point her at. I don't know if that's considered "dabbling", but a good horse with a good foundation should be able to dabble in whatever is put in front of it. That's half the fun of training. :/ I don't know what the discipline snobbery is all about.

But, I will concede that if I dabble in dressage, I won't call myself a dressage rider. But I will take whatever techniques I choose beneficial to me and use them in my other disciplines. And that "good foundation" is not from dressage. My basis for all my riding happens to be natural horsemanship, and that's just what I like to use, not a historical fact. Maybe someone else's basis for riding happens to be dressage, because that's what works for them.
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    08-14-2012, 12:32 PM
  #239
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I've never understood these types of debates because to me it's like comparing apples to oranges.

Did you know that some football players have been known to take ballet classes in order to improve their agility?
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    08-14-2012, 12:35 PM
  #240
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I will take the blame

I think Anebel is using my post where I said that the origins of modern day dressage date back to the revival of this style of riding in the Rennaissance period of history which spanned from the 14th to 17th centuries and influenced the way people rode all over Europe but also evolved as it did so. The horse was reintroduced into America first by the Spanish in a 400 hundred year period that began in about 1490. They brought with them their Iberian bred horses which are still regarded as the foundation stock of the finest dressage horses and they would also have brought with them their style of riding which would have been influenced by the dressage revival as was the style of riding of the later european settlers so it should be no surprise that the western style evolved from this to suit the demands of what they needed - it may have ended up in a very different place but everything has to start somewhere and the people who came here and moved westwards all came here from Europe with existing riding skills as the horse was the main means of getting from A to B and a great work partner and they brought their horses with them.
If people want to 'just get on their horse and do their own thing' that's fine by me, after all its supposed to be about having fun. Having a basic understanding of modern dressage doesn't mean that you have to compete or even go further than the very basic level but it might make you and your horse have a better partnership or be better at what you do which is why people like NRHA use it.
For the lady who says she bases her riding on NH methods - that is great but the actual riding side of this is nothing new - some of it is a return to older styles and the rest is just another example of one thing evolving from another.
One article on the internet actually stated that the difference between english (which should really be european) and western is that the western riders have no communication and contact with the horse and the english style has both
That has to be the most stupid thing I've ever read - or are there some cowboys out there still wandering aimlessly around?
I also rode a WP horse in my search for a new horse, it had a good show record & had only ever been ridden western but I liked the look of it, the dealer put english tack on it and asked me to try it. I rode it 100% english style and it responded perfectly - just more money than I could justify at the time or it would be in my field right now.
I think its time we put this thread to bed and all agree to disagree. If you run in blinkers you are never going to see whats going on from the sides
     

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