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        08-14-2012, 03:01 PM
      #241
    Yearling
    The last few posts were the best on here. THIS is what many of us were trying to get across in this whole debate, however it was not being understood by some.
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        08-14-2012, 03:03 PM
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    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    Wow thanks for calling me stupid :) so that tallies up to how many names I've been called now...?
    Oh well I've tried to explain my viewpoint as clearly as possible but apparently it makes me a stupid bitch. I do understand where most people are coming from, however I still find it rude and demeaning, along with conceited, that anyone would suggest one discipline as the basis for all others. Horse training is horse training and each discipline has its own goals, however the methods are strikingly similar. This does not mean that everyone started doing stuff from one majikal discipline, just that good trainers have their stuff figured out and horses tend to act like horses and similar methods tend to work on them. But each discipline has different goals, and to truly and correctly "do" any discipline you must commit yourself to learning it, not just dabble. No discipline is so easy that everyone can just dabble in it.
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    I never called you stupid. I understood your viewpoint....as did many on here. However, you did not understand the viewpoint of others. THAT is what I was pointing out. Not understanding and being stupid are NOT the same thing.
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        08-14-2012, 03:42 PM
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    Originally Posted by ~*~anebel~*~    
    Well Rolkur is part of dressage

    You are wrong about this. It is no more PART of dressage than its use in reining makes it part of that discipline. It is a controversial technique used by some.
         
        08-14-2012, 07:28 PM
      #244
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    ^ Rolkur is used in WP all the time. I've even played with it a couple times, getting the horse to flex all the way through into each shoulder. I have to say, I see more western people using rolkur than dressage, lol! Of course, it's not a technique I use a lot, just for finishing touches on a finished horse, and a lot of other people use it way too much.
         
        08-21-2012, 10:46 PM
      #245
    Foal
    I'm sorry but Rolkur isn't used in WP all the time. I have no idea where you saw it or read it. In VA, I've never seen any of the WP riders do rolkur, horses are rode on a loose rein and no peanut rollers.

    I really dislike when people pick on a certain disciplines when it all honesty, ALL disciplines have certain way of doing things, whether we agree or not. I don't go around saying all dressage riders do rolkur or WP are constantly in their horses mouth.


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    Originally Posted by oh vair oh    
    ^ Rolkur is used in WP all the time. I've even played with it a couple times, getting the horse to flex all the way through into each shoulder. I have to say, I see more western people using rolkur than dressage, lol! Of course, it's not a technique I use a lot, just for finishing touches on a finished horse, and a lot of other people use it way too much.
         
        08-22-2012, 06:56 AM
      #246
    Trained
    ^^ I am surprised you could even find WP in VA. I sure had a hard time finding a place to board that would even let me have my western saddle! Must be in southern Va, not northern.
         
        08-22-2012, 09:03 AM
      #247
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    Originally Posted by oh vair oh    
    ^ Rolkur is used in WP all the time. I've even played with it a couple times, getting the horse to flex all the way through into each shoulder. I have to say, I see more western people using rolkur than dressage, lol! Of course, it's not a technique I use a lot, just for finishing touches on a finished horse, and a lot of other people use it way too much.
    I think maybe either you or I are misunderstanding terms. From what I understand of rollkur, it's damaging to the horse so why someone would want to intentionally do it or "play around" with it is beyond me.
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        08-22-2012, 09:17 AM
      #248
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    Originally Posted by franknbeans    
    ^^ I am surprised you could even find WP in VA. I sure had a hard time finding a place to board that would even let me have my western saddle! Must be in southern Va, not northern.
    WP is huge in VA....as evidenced by the amount of horses at the VQHA Spring show.
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        08-22-2012, 10:52 AM
      #249
    Trained
    Like I said-must not be Nova...I had to drive 45 min just to go to a barn where I could ride my own horse western. But then, I wanted an indoor, too.
         
        08-22-2012, 11:33 AM
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    Originally Posted by tasunke    
    I'm sorry but Rolkur isn't used in WP all the time. I have no idea where you saw it or read it. In VA, I've never seen any of the WP riders do rolkur, horses are rode on a loose rein and no peanut rollers.

    I really dislike when people pick on a certain disciplines when it all honesty, ALL disciplines have certain way of doing things, whether we agree or not. I don't go around saying all dressage riders do rolkur or WP are constantly in their horses mouth.
    I don't know, down here in Texas I see a lot of riders who flex their horses into their shoulders and then give them a big release after they've held them a while. I might be wrong on what the "definitive" technique of rolkur is, but it usually involved hyperflexing the horse behind the vertical to stretch the neck and promote softness. It's a controversial technique that can be damaging if done for too long and too hard. I train my horses through complete softness, and will sometimes pull them into their shoulder and let them move through it for a couple strides at the jog. Then they are released into a complete drape and carry themselves very nicely. But I've prepared them in such a way that the hyperflexion comes with very little resistance. And I rarely do it on a horse that isn't finished, and I rarely do it at all. Maybe it's not true "rolkur". I don't know. I'm not saying anyone else should do it, and I'm not saying ALL western pleasure riders do it, but I see it a lot in the south, whether it's good or bad I'm not to judge.

    I probably should've just kept my big mouth shut to begin with
         

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