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  • Green western pleasure
  • Using training fork on high headed arabian

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    03-17-2014, 12:37 PM
Green horse and Western Pleasure

I've been riding a fairly green Arabian mare- just tuning her up and trying to finish her basic training. But I'm registering her for a small local show in order to introduce her to Western Pleasure. As I personally have never ridden western Pleasure, I have a few questions!! How can I help her to frame up without putting too much pressure on her face? If I were to use training forks to encourage proper head carriage, how should I do so? And how do I come into the show knowing that I will be judged by someone biased against Arabians?
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    03-17-2014, 01:22 PM
I don't know what's the norm for arabians, but I think you have your perspective of "collection" skewed a bit. Collection comes from the body, and the way the body holds itself together. Not from holding the face back or putting the head in a certain position. That pretty much will solve both your problems, haha. The head will be in the right position when the body is in the right position. Otherwise, the horse can learn to put his head can be in the "right" position but the body can still be strung out and uncollected. Work from back to front.
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    03-17-2014, 01:49 PM
That's what I meant by framing up. As I said, I am new to it so I would appreciate pointers on the best way to frame up the horse. I am aware that I need to work from body to head carriage but I am curious on how training forks have worked for other people too.
    03-17-2014, 01:53 PM
And I agree with you. Some people have suggested using forks but I wasn't sure about the idea since I really don't want to put too much pressure on my horse's face unless it's necessary. But I do need to find a way to get her to tip her nose
    03-17-2014, 03:39 PM
Absolutely agree with Oh vair oh. Your best bet is to find a trainer to help you out here - your horse needs to be taught to move properly so she can naturally put herself in frame. We can't teach you how to do that over the internet, unfortunately.

I assume "tip her nose" is referring to what is more often called "softening" or "giving" to the bit. You can likely Youtube some DIY videos on that topic, but unless the body is properly positioned, you will not have the whole package for the show ring - a headset does not equal collection/frame.

Training forks are not designed to create a headset, nor to keep a head down or tucked, they are meant to prevent a horse from raising his head so high he evades the bit. When used correctly, it will have no pressure on the horse at all while the horse is working normally, it's just there as a preventative measure.
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    03-17-2014, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazulie Belle    
I personally have never ridden western Pleasure
Take lessons with a trainer.

Getting a horse properly collected for their event (Ex: Arabian western pleasure will look different from Quarter Horse western pleasure) takes seat and legs moreso than rein. And timing is so very important. If you release pressure too late or too soon, you've taught your horse nothing and/or bad habits.

We cannot teach you timing and feel over the internet. You need someone in-person giving you instant feedback on what you are doing wrong or what you are doing right.
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    03-17-2014, 09:31 PM
Okay so in a sense, forks are similar to tie downs. And beau159, that's exactly what I'm afraid of- bad habits! Thank you all for your input
    03-18-2014, 01:27 PM
They are usually not used on green horses for their tendency to draw the horse down onto the forehand.

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