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    05-31-2012, 08:52 PM
Originally Posted by GutsNGrits    
Wrong.... I don't think any of the tools or disciplines are bad if you know how to do/use it. So these trainers... Excuse this but SUCKED. They acted like the backyard trainer who saw a big time successful trainer use a tool so they went and bought it and TRIED to use it the same way. That's how it looked to me!
You were at an open show, that's probably what a lot of those people are.
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    06-01-2012, 02:20 PM
No matter what discipline, there is going to be those type of people who push their horses too much. One day it's going to backfire on them!
    06-01-2012, 02:40 PM
You know it's funny to read these interchanges on an internet forum where everyone gets to be an expert and the final arbiter of what constitutes abuse. There are people at all levels of competition, in all disciplines, at all ages that use a myriad of training techniques. When someone of a soft heart and tender sensibilities sees something they don't understand or seems harsh to them they run to the nearest official, referee, cop and report it instead of maybe learning something. Then the very next thing they do is run to an internet forum and spout off all the injustices and abuses they saw. Get over it. I am not justifying abuse nor do I practice it. I do however let the particular horse determing how it will be trained. I hada neighbor that was convinced I was starving my horses to death. What she saw was my horse stick it's head through a fence to eat the grass on the other side and determined that there was not enough graze and left me a nasty "anonymous" note. I got fed up and moved the horses to another pasture. An Arab we were boarding for a friend kept getting out and going to that lower field so we closed him in there. This Arab was being rehabbed and was underweight, the friend was responsible for the sweet feed and other supplements as we provided graze. My psycho neighbor called the cops and demanded that they bring a vet out, which they did and came on my property to check out a horse that didn't belong to me and must have determined things were fine because they never even contacted me. I contacted them after said neighbor confronted my wife after the sheriffs dept did nothing. So I get just a bit fired up when amateur detectives go off half cocked and start accusing abuse before they understand what is really going on. Is this what the OP did? I have no idea, I just recognize the "tone" and "tenor" of the post and am immediately sceptical. Then the two sides square off and the debate is on. I hear what DrumRunner is saying and agree wholeheartedly, back off till you gain understanding and quit crying abuse everytime someone smacks a horse.
    06-01-2012, 04:17 PM
Originally Posted by DrumRunner    
What you have to understand is while it may not be your cup of tea..It's not your business.. If you don't like it, don't watch or associate with it, but you're not going to stop it and coming onto an open board to bash a discipline just because you don't like it will ruffle quite a few feathers.. Discipline bashing is just not necessary and you can expect to hear a lot of opinions much different than yours.. My aunt and uncle trained western pleasure horses for years, and the different "styles" that come and go are what the client wants..If you want to win, you have to do what's "in" and what the judge is looking for..
Maybe if some attention is brought to it and people get upset and it will stop. Just like the big lick TW trainer that nightline did a special on and now he is banned from showing. Everyone knows it happens and now that attention is brought to it maybe it will stop.Anke and rollkur methods ring a bell. Looks cruel to many people. Alot of clients do not know what is being done to their horse when they are not there.

If everyone ignored things they didn't think was right we wouldn't have any laws and you could just go around and do what you want. It is anyones business to have an opinion on something at a public event.

The you tube video of the woman beating a horse with plastic bat trying to load it in the trailer at the MWHF has really brought light to the idiot woman and she lost her position at the MFTA. So public forums can give an opinion and you don't have to agree with it.
    06-01-2012, 04:23 PM
Originally Posted by QHriderKE    
Yeah, the picture you shared isn't that bad... The foam is just from the breastollar rubbing. My horses look like that after a good workout.

But, the practices you described.. just... icky
If your horse starts to lather it is a sign of distress or pain. I am not refering to lather caused by a breast collar rubbing abit but you can tell when a horse is lathering from stress.
    06-01-2012, 04:30 PM
Originally Posted by DrumRunner    
Oh dear Lord.. I give up.
Yeah, best news I have heard today.
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    06-01-2012, 04:49 PM
Originally Posted by speed racer    
every discipline has some ugly practices, and ugly people who practice them. Doesn't make the discipline or the people who actually care about their animals bad.
    06-01-2012, 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by churumbeque    
Yeah, best news I have heard today.
So glad I can make your day! I guess it doesn't take much to make someone so small minded happy..I hope you enjoy it.
    06-01-2012, 05:36 PM
Originally Posted by churumbeque    
If your horse starts to lather it is a sign of distress or pain. I am not refering to lather caused by a breast collar rubbing abit but you can tell when a horse is lathering from stress.

These comments coming from the person who admitted it takes them an average of 20 minutes to load a horse and eventually (2.75 hours later) only got it to get in with grain.
Yes, I really am really going to take horse training and health advice from you.

Do people really have nothing better to do then make Western Pleasure bashing threads? I joined this forum thinking I might be able to learn and exchange ideas, but its obvious now that anyone with any REAL knowledge on the subject dare not post because of course the entire discipline is evil and abusive.
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    06-01-2012, 05:48 PM
The bickering in this thread makes me sad. I wholeheartedly agree with speedracer - every discipline has it's ugly practices and bad trainers, but there ARE other ways to get results. In some disciplines, the bad training methods are more prevalent than others, in some cases / disciplines, the bad training methods are just more widely known. I know soring, for example, is an issue in TWH circles, however having never been to a TWH show nor seen/experienced the issue firsthand, my knowledge and comments are limited to that which I have read.

We all have knowledge to share as well as more to learn, and we can all do better to be open minded about that which we do not know. Not everything that some people see as abuse is such. A single jointed smoothed mouth snaffle bit in heavy hands can be more severe than a high ported curb bit in light hands, and if i've learned anything in my 30+ years with horses, it is to not judge that which I do not know or understand.
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