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    06-21-2012, 05:38 PM
  #171
Foal
I know my head may get bit off for this in the long run. I have been showing AQHA for a while now and have seen some of the harshness because, it seems trainers seem less scared to use techniques when kids are around versus adults. I can see the logic behind the AQHA/APHA being more competitive than the color circuits but, the way I think about it AQHA is more competitive than APHA.
I say this because, as far as I know, the AQHA you must qualify for the World Show no matter what level, youth, amateur, select or open. In my knowledge, and I could be COMPLETELY wrong about this as I have no experience, you do not have to qualify for APHA.
On the trainer note, I have seen some bad things. Gouges in sides, rock grinder spurs, illegal bits, tongues split and cut in half and horses with bloody sides and rein marks. I have also seen trainers in my area loosen on their horses, duck taped spurs and snaffles on horses normally in big bits. I don't know if it is the northeast or the state I happen to be in but when it comes down to it, I think, if the trainer is truly a good trainer, then the horses welfare is the highest required need.
I can speak for draw reins. There are days I just want to practice my equ or horsemanship and don't want to fight with my horse, so out come the draw reins. I have ridden in draw reins in snaffles and leverage bits. I have used them around the legs and through the legs, hooked to the girth and to the saddle, you name it, I have probably done it.
Now, all these things I have talked about, the spurs the bits etc. I can tell you I was graced, thankfully, with a trainer who works with the horse to their comfort level then pushes them just enough so they grow.
     
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    06-21-2012, 06:21 PM
  #172
Ink
Weanling
To qualify for a world show in APHA you have to participate in a regional show. You don't have to win to qualify, just show up. They just changed the rule this year I think. You didn't have to do anything before that to go to World.
     
    06-21-2012, 08:35 PM
  #173
Weanling
Wrong, to qualify for the Paint World you must show to eight different judges at four different events.
     
    06-21-2012, 10:03 PM
  #174
Foal
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Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
I saw your post on the other forum too. And yes, it's a trend with Arabians that has been around for a few years. The first time I saw it, I was like....what?? I show Quarter Horses and we hold ours hand where they should be and WILL be when the horse is transitioned out of the bosal as a senior horse. When these Arabian junior WP are transitioned into a bit...what does the rider then do with their hands after riding the horse like this in a bosal? LOL....they would look pretty silly riding one hand with their hand up that high.
I watched some videos of Arab WP since I used to do wester pleasure and love arabians and wanted to compare. In the senior classes they use rommel (sp?) reins and they STILL hold their hands up high. I always assumed it was a way to get their head down and their neck arched... Which obviously we wouldn't do for stock horses because we want a flat neck. But I don't know
     
    08-07-2012, 04:58 PM
  #175
Foal
What do you hope to accomplish by posting this? There are harsh trainers in every way of riding. Just like barrel racing, I see them tuging on the horses mouths. Don't tell me that they don't get sweaty and foamy.
Over-all if the horses were being mistreated, they can handle themselves, they don't like something they will make sure to let you know. And the 'half trot half canter' is called a lope; a very collected 3 beat gait. Now 4 beating is when its a real half trot and half canter.
     
    08-07-2012, 05:08 PM
  #176
Foal
I go to pleasure shows aswell and this is something I see at almost everyy show with atleast 1 horse and its usally on appaloosas and warm bloods
     
    08-07-2012, 10:38 PM
  #177
Trained
Two Diamond a lope is the western term for canter.
What passes for a lope in the western Pleasure classes is no canter and does not in any way look comfortable to the horse or natural.
I have seen improvemant but would never subject a horse of mine to the training to achieve this gait. I do not know how they develope it but I wouldn't want to ride it and see no sense in getting the horses to edo it.
That's my opinion though.
I do know that QH and Paints are bred to achieve this gait and low head carriage.
I cringe though when I see an Arab being trained to mimic a QH.
They are not built the same. Shalom
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    08-08-2012, 02:28 AM
  #178
Foal
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Originally Posted by dbarabians    
Two Diamond a lope is the western term for canter.
What passes for a lope in the western Pleasure classes is no canter and does not in any way look comfortable to the horse or natural.
I have seen improvemant but would never subject a horse of mine to the training to achieve this gait. I do not know how they develope it but I wouldn't want to ride it and see no sense in getting the horses to edo it.
That's my opinion though.
I do know that QH and Paints are bred to achieve this gait and low head carriage.
I cringe though when I see an Arab being trained to mimic a QH.
They are not built the same. Shalom
Yes it is natural for a QH to carry its low, but trainers make it even with the withers, although I do see some having it lower than the withers which is coming out of 'style' in AQHA. However, when I lunge my gelding, he maintains a slow lope. Now its not like when I ride him, not as collected but duh, a dressage horse doesn't Piaffe in the field? If people want to train an Arab to be a QH, then why not just train QH? Seems like wanna-bes.
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    08-28-2012, 04:19 AM
  #179
Weanling
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Originally Posted by arrowsaway    
I love these threads. It's like a train wreck - you want to look away, but somehow you just can't.
Totally agree

All I have to say is there is abuse in every type of completion with horses
Western pleasure,reining,sorting,roping,barrel racing pole bending,English pleasure jumping racing harness racing draft shows basically every type.
I love watching any type of show as long as it has to deal with horses
This year at my state fair I watched all the shows majority of the people there did not abuse there horses but there's always one or two. There were several people in the ranch sorting that I saw jerking on the bit a tad too much
And several people in barrel racing that pushed there horses too much I saw several horses that seemed sour several that didn't even wanna be there period. I also saw some horses that were let by with alot of bad habits that they should have been correctd.I didn't see anyone straight out beating a horse. You just have to realize with any type of completion there will be people that go to far. You just have to realize its not your horse and they can train them how they want if they are beating the horse or abusing the horse enough to really proove it's abuse report them other wise just don't associate with that person and don't treat your animals the way they do and hopefully they will be reported or caught abusing their horses you really can't bash any competition with horses because every person is different 7or 8 people doing something wrong doesn't mean the other thousands of people that do the same competition treat their horses like this.

This doesn't just happen in horse shows it happens in all sports I have seen parents push kids too far during basketball games but that doesn't mean basketball is a bad sport.


Sorry for typos on I'm on the iPad and I'm not good at using it lmao
     
    09-20-2012, 12:48 PM
  #180
Foal
Maybe if enough people let the cruel people and the judges of these kind of shows that this kind of showman ship won't be acceptible, things just might change for the better for both horse and ridders and showing might just become fun and safer for both.
     

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