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    09-22-2012, 06:23 PM
  #181
Yearling
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Originally Posted by dbarabians    
Two Diamond a lope is the western term for canter.
What passes for a lope in the western Pleasure classes is no canter and does not in any way look comfortable to the horse or natural.
I have seen improvemant but would never subject a horse of mine to the training to achieve this gait. I do not know how they develope it but I wouldn't want to ride it and see no sense in getting the horses to edo it.
That's my opinion though.
I do know that QH and Paints are bred to achieve this gait and low head carriage.
I cringe though when I see an Arab being trained to mimic a QH.
They are not built the same. Shalom
Because it's NOT a canter...it's a lope! It is supposed to be slow and relaxed....not faster and extending like a canter.
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    09-24-2012, 12:29 AM
  #182
Trained
I have ridden horses on 4 different continents and the only time I have heard anything called a lope is in the western classes.
Those gaits required for western pleasure are not natural and are not used outside the arena. They serve no purpose but to make the horse IMO look lame.
I took several friends from Europe to the paint Horse show in Ft Worth.
Every one of them questioned why those lame horses were being ridden. These are experienced horsemen and have ridden for years.
I cannot see any skill in the WP class nor any purpose for those gaits except to make the rider look good.
I know a lot of people who show in the class and they are nice and would never harm their horses. I do not know how the horses are trained.
I also will be watching the ranch pleasure classes to see if they have any difference.
I like the fact that no silver is allowed. That is a steo in the right direction. Shalom
     
    09-24-2012, 12:48 AM
  #183
Started
So this jog is not natural on a weanling?

http://youtu.be/m2hEoKSb0yw

Or this jog on her third day on earth?

http://youtu.be/BvtTVLU2JTI

Or these lopes?





:/ Looks pretty natural to me. I don't know how many WP bred horses you've been around, but all mine prefer to casually jog and lope around the pasture.

Even non-WP horses can still peanut-roll happily.

http://youtu.be/lD7Wpfqd2Vg
     
    09-24-2012, 12:48 AM
  #184
Weanling
The Gaits they use for Gaited horses are **NOT** all that "NATURAL" either. You can't tell me a horse is born picking its feet up past its nose. I know that **SOME** gaits are natural to certain breeds
But not like they are used in a show.
Its not a natural thing for a horse to any type of showing if you think about it Logically. Horses don't trot around on their own practicing a barrel pattern or dressage pattern. Nope they don't its not natural. IMO I'd much rather train a horse to do a slow lope as having its feet weighted down to make it pick its feet up & look as if its walking on its hind legs. & im not saying anything bad about the gaited breeds either just the big lick TWH's & all the other trainers that cause their horses pain to get them to pick their feet up.Other than that I have no problem with the gaited horses.

Looks like the Foal up there is doing it nauturally ^^^^
     
    09-24-2012, 06:46 AM
  #185
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbarabians    
I have ridden horses on 4 different continents and the only time I have heard anything called a lope is in the western classes.
Those gaits required for western pleasure are not natural and are not used outside the arena. They serve no purpose but to make the horse IMO look lame.
I took several friends from Europe to the paint Horse show in Ft Worth.
Every one of them questioned why those lame horses were being ridden. These are experienced horsemen and have ridden for years.
I cannot see any skill in the WP class nor any purpose for those gaits except to make the rider look good.
I know a lot of people who show in the class and they are nice and would never harm their horses. I do not know how the horses are trained.
I also will be watching the ranch pleasure classes to see if they have any difference.
I like the fact that no silver is allowed. That is a steo in the right direction. Shalom
And you are entitled to your opinion, but it's not based on first hand knowledge of WP. Are you friends from Europe WP people?
     
    09-24-2012, 02:05 PM
  #186
Trained
NO my european friends are not WP riders.
I however was until the mid 80s when the peanut roller trend and all the silver really turned me off. Seeing better riders and horses place lower because their owners did not wish to spend 5-10,000$ on a silver saddle or force their horses head to the ground while they stumbled around an arena showed me what was imoortant in the WP classes. Trends not substance.
My family has raised QH's for years since before I was born and I am 53.
The arabian WP classes are even more enamored of silver trappings than the stock breeds.
I understand that people are breeding these horses for that class.
IMO it is limiting pleasure bred horses to those classes only and just like halter horses most will not be able to be a versatile animal outside the arena.
I will not beed, sell, or have a horse trained for the class.
I will watch the new ranch pleasure classes as I and my family still own QH's and I do breed half arabians.
Horse have 3 gaits walk trot gallop unless they are gaited.
Are we now raising QHs and paints to walk, jog, trot, lope, gallop? If so it is news to me. Shalom
     
    09-24-2012, 02:41 PM
  #187
Green Broke
Theres good and bad in all of them....
I could go right now and get youtube videos and pictures from EVERY single discipline and somebody would say that's wrong, its unnatural, the hrose is lame its broke theyre abusing it and theyre cruel.....

Not everything is black or white here. Yes....theres some raunchy looking gaits in WP....well there raunchy looking gaits in every other discipline too.


These things change CONSTANTLY so its not really fair to judge based on what you see at certain shows.
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    09-24-2012, 03:44 PM
  #188
Trained
Roperchick if I came across as judgemental that was not my purpose. I did not originate this thread.
I have a problem with the gaits required for the class.
I also do not like the new trends in the Arabian shows with WP.
WP's origins were great and people used to show riening, ranch and halter bred in all types of classes. QH's were truly versatile then.
Sadly that is no longer so.
I understand that specializing helped the breed and the exhibitor was able to find horses suitable for the discipline and go to the top. The trends however are unnecessary. Remember in the late 80's during the peanut roller faze when horses were ridden angled to the arena's wall. Almost as if they were doing a little sidepass.
I am hoping that western dressage influences WP in the long run and that Ranch pleasure takes off and influences WP also. Shalom
     
    09-24-2012, 03:55 PM
  #189
Green Broke
No. Not at all DB. I get where you're coming from completely. And I have the same feelings towards some of it.

From what I've seen, at least locally they are starting to be more ranch pleasure based and the peanut rollers/4 beaters arw not being placed....but it will be awhile before we see any real difference in the bigger circuits at least imo.


IM sorry if I offended you or anybody...my post was more towards the OP or anybody that doesnt have alot of working knowledge of the discipline or whatever.

I totally agree that some changes are neccessary not just for WP.
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    09-24-2012, 04:51 PM
  #190
Yearling
Quote:
Originally Posted by dbarabians    
NO my european friends are not WP riders.
I however was until the mid 80s when the peanut roller trend and all the silver really turned me off. Seeing better riders and horses place lower because their owners did not wish to spend 5-10,000$ on a silver saddle or force their horses head to the ground while they stumbled around an arena showed me what was imoortant in the WP classes. Trends not substance.
My family has raised QH's for years since before I was born and I am 53.
The arabian WP classes are even more enamored of silver trappings than the stock breeds.
I understand that people are breeding these horses for that class.
IMO it is limiting pleasure bred horses to those classes only and just like halter horses most will not be able to be a versatile animal outside the arena.
I will not beed, sell, or have a horse trained for the class.
I will watch the new ranch pleasure classes as I and my family still own QH's and I do breed half arabians.
Horse have 3 gaits walk trot gallop unless they are gaited.
Are we now raising QHs and paints to walk, jog, trot, lope, gallop? If so it is news to me. Shalom
But you are talking about the 80's! Things have changed since then. Yea, it was bad in the 80's...it was terrible, but it has gotten so much better. If a horse from the 80's were showing today...it would be DQ'd the minute it jogged into the arena. I've seen MANY of those "flashback" horses get the gate at AQHA shows (first hand mind you) the last few years. So, what I do is think about what it is like NOW compared to what it WAS. I don't dwell on what was, but I DO care about what it is now and the future.

And yes, they ARE training horses to do all those gaits. But you have been out of the loop, so maybe that is why you don't know that. Not being snarky just saying if you have been following WP and staying current year to year, you wouldn't be asking that question.
     

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