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post #201 of 213 Old 09-24-2012, 07:33 PM
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post #202 of 213 Old 09-24-2012, 08:47 PM
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The horse with the rider in the turquoise outfit seems to be properly exhibiting what I was taught as a kid to be WP: The jog or trot is part walk/part trot and the lope or canter is part canter/part trot...memory fails me as to whether the front or back legs need to look like they're walking while in the trot/trotting while in the canter.
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post #203 of 213 Old 09-24-2012, 08:53 PM
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That is my point.. i understand the need for a slow trott and lope. the flat kneed movement I get it is the mixed kind of gait I don't.
Trying to force an Arabian that is not anyway near built to trot slow anyway is counterproductive.
those riders also do not exhibit the carriage of the hands riders do when using a rommel. Shalom
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post #204 of 213 Old 09-24-2012, 09:01 PM
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I agree with you Dbarabians, horses trained to do the following look hideous. The heads should be level with the back and the croup, not dropped to the ground like a dog sniffing out a spot to pee! GROSS!
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Abvits the last video does show a remarkable improvement IMO. the horses trot is a lot more natural and the rider doesn't look so stiff.
The pleasure horses are bred for that head carriage so it is natural and a lot better that a few years ago.
There is a lot of money in WP horses and a good one that has a record is a valuable animal.
hopefully that will no carry over into the Arab WP.
It is an improvement. GottadunQH you are right. Shalom
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post #206 of 213 Old 09-24-2012, 09:27 PM
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I probably laughed at this harder than I should have ...

I think, maybe, this all got blown out of proportion. I'm not sure if I completely agree with OP. Any tool in the wrong hand can be used incorrectly, unintentionally or not. I'm a strong believer of snaffle bits, and yeah, sometimes they can be used harshly, but they are typically a pretty soft bit. Some shows require horses to ride in a certain bit, whether you think it's a harsh one or not. For the love of the game. I ride all of my horses in D rings and O rings, and my gelding still gapes his mouth and pulls. I must be yanking on his mouth? No, he's avoiding the bit. To you it might look like a problem, but you're not the rider in this case, you don't know the whole story. Maybe the rider had a reason to "whack" his horse, maybe it just so happened the judges weren't looking at the time it happened. I don't know, you don't know, no one really does except for the rider. I'm going to assume from your post that you don't ride WP, you may correct me otherwise. Just because it's a different style of riding than you're used to, and doesn't seem right to you, doesn't make it wrong.

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post #207 of 213 Old 09-24-2012, 09:34 PM
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I'm brand new to this thread and haven't read much of it. I personally dislike any show that puts the desire to win over the safety and care of the horse. Personally I don't like shows that aren't fun for horses, but i understand that some people care more about money than their horses happiness level. I also know there are horses and people in every discipline that LOVE what they do!

Personally I feel every discipline is an extreme version of riding, each one sets a different group of extreme rules and guidelines to shoot for, for rider and horse. Horses are bred and trained to carry themselves in different ways in order to fit these new ideals and fads. Personally I like my horse to look like themselves, I like the to ride like as if I weren't there, exactly like they move without me, only compensating for my weight of course. I don't like seeing horses bending them-self out of shape in order to escape the pressure of a tool or piece of tack in an extreme way, such as having their nose on the ground or the gaited horses flinging their for-legs out in front of them to avoid the sores and chains. But there are people and horses in all disciplines who do it right, and who love it. I've seen some horses who are just born WP horse, have a smooth easy gait and soft body position, not my style, I always feel like the horse is going to fall asleep xD

But the main reason I chose to comment was about the last video posted. The horse looks lovely, the rider rides well and soft. But that bosal bothers me. It's held in a position that the horse simply can NOT get away from it's pressure. You see him try to pick his head up and get bumped by that bosal and yank his head back down repeatedly. Bosals can be quite extreme, it's set very low on his nose and at an angle that he just can't get away unless his nose truly is dragging. He is not in that position because that's how he goes, he's like that because pain/pressure happens if he doesn't.

My personal opinion is the horse that should win is the horse that rides closest to the style's ideals without the use of force. A horse who rides with the gait and body carriage the judges desire, but without being pushed and prodded into that position. That to me is a great horse.
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post #208 of 213 Old 09-25-2012, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by AbsitVita View Post
I agree with you Dbarabians, horses trained to do the following look hideous. The heads should be level with the back and the croup, not dropped to the ground like a dog sniffing out a spot to pee! GROSS!
2011 Congress - 3 YR Old Western Pleasure - He's Not An Illusion - YouTube

And this is a NICE example of a nice 3 YO WP horse.....still learning and not finished. The horse is aready showing consistency and quietness. The other vid of the 4H horse...showed no consistency and often was 4 beating at the lope. The first horse was no correct, the second one was.

The bosal use didn't bother me at all, the rider was very quiet with her hands, unllike the first rider. These young horse aren't ridden in bosals everyday....they only use them for shows and are ridden in bits at home. When I showed my junior WP mare, it was in a bosal but she was ridden in a snaffle at home.
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post #209 of 213 Old 09-25-2012, 09:09 AM
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Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not against bosals in general, they're great training tools when used right. But to me that bosal looks to be sitting far too low and too tight and heavy on the horse. When there is no contact on the reins by the rider the bosal is Still pushing the horse's head down, meaning the horse's headset is forced by the tack, not natural. The horse has no place he can safely put his head where the bosal will not be putting pressure, based on the angle of it he'd need to have his nose between his ankles to be able to have the bosal sitting balanced on his face.
That's my opinion, but I don't compete WP. I just think the horse that wins the ribbon should be the horse who reaches the ideals of the style with the least amount of force, that to me, looks too forced.
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post #210 of 213 Old 09-28-2012, 02:31 PM
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The more I read these postings the more I wonder if anyone just plain enjoys ridding for the joy of ridding any more instead of ridding their way just to be right. I feel sorry for the horses.
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