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post #41 of 213 Old 05-30-2012, 04:17 PM
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post #42 of 213 Old 05-30-2012, 04:18 PM
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You must not run barrels at any big shows then.. If you want to say WP trainers are tough, go find a few rough barrel trainers..You will quickly change your mind about harsh WP trainers..

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post #43 of 213 Old 05-30-2012, 04:19 PM
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Aren;t most shows "local" this time of the year? The "national" level ones tend to be in the fall, are they not? Like...umm...CONGRESS?.....World level for Morgans.....I can name a few others..... Where you would see lots of WP? Really, Go-why not stay on track instead of picking out minutia and harping on it.

OP-the fact is that if you do not like the standards for a particular discipline, try another. I will assure you that there are many out there that may do things you may not like. In reining, we use **GASP** spurs and **GASP** (again) curb bits. In gaited breeds they use weighted shoes at the least, sometimes double bits......and I could go on. In WP the headset is low, and the gait is exageratedly (is that even a word?) slow. WE all use tools to help the horse understand what it is we are asking for, and get used to a certain "feel". I use a noseband on my western horse to keep his mouth quiet when I school. Perhaps you think that is wrong, too.....

Hopefully you will get my drift. THere are good and bad trainers in each discipline and some may use the tools inappropriately, which makes people even more uncomfortable with them and horrified that that discipline (generalized) does that...then the whole discipline is bad.....that is what you are doing.

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post #44 of 213 Old 05-30-2012, 04:25 PM
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The one trainer that caught my eye, every time his horse even raised its head a inch, he popped him. Like everyone says on here, any hit can be harsh in the wrong hands. Well he was yanking so hard the horses mouth was wide open. I could almost swear it was bleeding!
You do not know the background either. This could be a horse who was just being a butt....one who knows it, but will NOT do it. Perhaps the trainer had been working with this horse for a while.....and this was the pressure he had escalated to? I have a horse who has attitude at times, and you would most likely be horrified when I pop him in the shoulder with my spur. What you would probably not see is the 4 steps leading up to that.....he knows it is coming, very clearly....and has been down this road before. Once I pop him-he lopes off like he should for the rest of the ride. Just needs a reminder sometimes.
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post #45 of 213 Old 05-30-2012, 04:31 PM
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Haha. Buckskin. Same difference.

And your point would be? Seems like a pretty belittling comment. Hope that made you feel real big.

Some of us have little respect for the AQHA in our disciplines, just FYI, but we don't laugh at those who do.

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post #46 of 213 Old 05-30-2012, 04:33 PM
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It isn't the best representation of either talent or training, for both the horses and the trainers.

I don't really care what you think of the AQHA.
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post #47 of 213 Old 05-30-2012, 04:34 PM Thread Starter
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You must not run barrels at any big shows then.. If you want to say WP trainers are tough, go find a few rough barrel trainers..You will quickly change your mind about harsh WP trainers..
I only run state shows. Like NBHA and jackpots.

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Aren;t most shows "local" this time of the year? The "national" level ones tend to be in the fall, are they not? Like...umm...CONGRESS?.....World level for Morgans.....I can name a few others..... Where you would see lots of WP? Really, Go-why not stay on track instead of picking out minutia and harping on it.

OP-the fact is that if you do not like the standards for a particular discipline, try another. I will assure you that there are many out there that may do things you may not like. In reining, we use **GASP** spurs and **GASP** (again) curb bits. In gaited breeds they use weighted shoes at the least, sometimes double bits......and I could go on. In WP the headset is low, and the gait is exageratedly (is that even a word?) slow. WE all use tools to help the horse understand what it is we are asking for, and get used to a certain "feel". I use a noseband on my western horse to keep his mouth quiet when I school. Perhaps you think that is wrong, too.....




Hopefully you will get my drift. THere are good and bad trainers in each discipline and some may use the tools inappropriately, which makes people even more uncomfortable with them and horrified that that discipline (generalized) does that...then the whole discipline is bad.....that is what you are doing.
Wrong.... I dont think any of the tools or disciplines are bad if you know how to do/use it. So these trainers... Excuse this but SUCKED. They acted like the backyard trainer who saw a big time successful trainer use a tool so they went and bought it and TRIED to use it the same way. Thats how it looked to me!

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I worked with an arab mare once, who had basically retired for some years and brought her out so as to kind of curb her crazies a bit.

By the end of the first day, she was lathered in sweat, and literally dripping from head to toe. Want to know what happened? She worked herself to that point without any need of help from me. She refused to calm down, she refused to give herself breaks, and it continued like that for the past week until she wore herself out and realized that she doesn't need to go jumping crazy.

Now if you saw the after math of a hot, exhausted and sweaty horse, would you call me a bad trainer? It's not fair to jump to unnecessary conclusions when you don't know an inch about the horse, rider or trainer. Variables come into play, and it seems you didn't even guess.
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I worked with an arab mare once, who had basically retired for some years and brought her out so as to kind of curb her crazies a bit.

By the end of the first day, she was lathered in sweat, and literally dripping from head to toe. Want to know what happened? She worked herself to that point without any need of help from me. She refused to calm down, she refused to give herself breaks, and it continued like that for the past week until she wore herself out and realized that she doesn't need to go jumping crazy.

Now if you saw the after math of a hot, exhausted and sweaty horse, would you call me a bad trainer? It's not fair to jump to unnecessary conclusions when you don't know an inch about the horse, rider or trainer. Variables come into play, and it seems you didn't even guess.
Well Yes, What you just wrote is a good point. I did know like 3 of the trainers there and a few people I know have sent there horses there. Horses came back soured.

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