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    05-30-2012, 03:57 PM
  #51
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by GutsNGrits    
I only run state shows. Like NBHA and jackpots.
Yeah..Even with Florida NBHA I've seen a TON of rushed barrel trainers that ruin good horses putting them on speed too fast. IMO, harsh barrel trainers are the worst in the western disciplines...and they don't use snaffles and such..Try bicycle chain bits, too short tie-downs instead of teaching proper head set, harsh spurs (NOT like reining or WP), whips.. They can be terrible..and fixing a horse from one of those trainers is the worst. Believe me, I have one..
     
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    05-30-2012, 04:17 PM
  #52
Weanling
I think I know where GunsNGrits is coming from. We were at a very small show recently where I put my horse in a few halter classes just for some miles.

I have never seen so many parents and trainers schooling horses outside the show ring. Maybe I was absolutely blessed with an amazing trainer when I was taking lessons. But most all the kids from her barn just had very small time horses, very broke, but not always trained to jump or dressage, and every week at lessons we would prepare and train.

I know I found great pride in bringing along my own horse and unless my horse was being absolutely uncontrollable, my trainer never got on. It seems like her barn always came away with the top ribbons.

I guess maybe these small shows are practice for the big shows where they are winning money or points. But heck no would I have just stood around while my parent or trainer warmed my horse up for me.

And maybe I don't understand. I have never shown at a AQHA or A shows. I could never keep my breeches clean. We (trainers barn) were just there to have a great time with our ponies and watch in amazement as the trainers screaming at students, horses jumping out of the ring, etc.

Maybe I was too young to see it years ago, and I have just come out from behind my rose shade glasses. And yes, I know there are poor trainers in every school. Just like cruddy people in every hobby, job, walk of life. Something we just have to deal with as a rider and hopefully set a good example by our actions and the way we deal with our horses.
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    05-30-2012, 04:25 PM
  #53
Green Broke
I don't know what show you were at, but the AQHA rules have changed and the Peanut rollers are not to be placed. The top line should be level.
There are bad trainers.. everywhere. The reason bad trainers still exist is that you cannot go around and say so and so is a bad trainer .. or post your peeve with that trainer ..as you will most likely get sued. You will also make it that you are the problem not the trainer. You need Proof and some one else to make a legit complaint . It is hard to go to court and win against a trainer, even when they KILL one of your horses.
There are some fantastic trainers . These trainers are always busy, they have very few openings .
You can go to any show and find bad behavior. You need to look for the good behavior, which is not as obvious as the bad , because if you (example) see one child sitting quite and the other having a fit.. which do you notice.??
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    05-30-2012, 04:35 PM
  #54
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Ok I am a bit confised like usual :/ op you saw something you considered abuse yet didn't report it to anyone running the show whether local state blah blah. Then from my assumption you have never seen any of these horses in training prior to coming to this event nor have you witnesssed any of these trainers training a horse before? You only spoke with what was it 3 trainers at the show? Yet you are condemning a whole discipline for ill use of tools and whatnot..
Did I get the basics correct??

The way I see it, you don't know the horses or the trainers at the show or what experiences they have. And I don't mean that to sound harsh but you only know a short version of there training. Enless you were part of there training weeks before the event to understand each horse and trainers attitude in why they did certain things you really can't comment.

As far as the sweating goes... my guys look like that after every workout. I have noticed more horses sweating because they are thinking and concentrating on things rather then on actually be worked hard.

As for abuse I can't say, I wasn't there but just because it wasn't your fancy doesn't mean it was abuse. If you don't like what they did then write a negative article about what you find wrong with the industry and send it to whatever individual is incharge of that discpline at the local show/state or whatever shows and maybe it will be changed...

Just my 2 cents lol :p
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    05-30-2012, 04:40 PM
  #55
Weanling
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Originally Posted by GutsNGrits    
Wrong.... I don't think any of the tools or disciplines are bad if you know how to do/use it. So these trainers... Excuse this but SUCKED. They acted like the backyard trainer who saw a big time successful trainer use a tool so they went and bought it and TRIED to use it the same way. That's how it looked to me!
You didn't even know what some of these tools were (draw reins) until coming here and asking after the fact, so how can you be so certain that they were being used incorrectly?
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    05-30-2012, 04:52 PM
  #56
Trained
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Originally Posted by DraftXDressage    
You didn't even know what some of these tools were (draw reins) until coming here and asking after the fact, so how can you be so certain that they were being used incorrectly?
Exactly.
     
    05-30-2012, 04:54 PM
  #57
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Originally Posted by franknbeans    
You do not know the background either. This could be a horse who was just being a butt....one who knows it, but will NOT do it. Perhaps the trainer had been working with this horse for a while.....and this was the pressure he had escalated to? I have a horse who has attitude at times, and you would most likely be horrified when I pop him in the shoulder with my spur. What you would probably not see is the 4 steps leading up to that.....he knows it is coming, very clearly....and has been down this road before. Once I pop him-he lopes off like he should for the rest of the ride. Just needs a reminder sometimes.
That may be the case, but as riders do we sometimes turn the blind eye to real abuse taking it, "oh the horse is just being a butt"? After all the horror stories of abuse in all breeds/disciplines/levels of competition, maybe we need to be a little more observant. Complacency is a very bad thing. For me, I'd rather throw up a red flag (or anyone for that matter) and come up empty than ignore possible abuse. Mainly, because it would make my heart hurt if it were my horse. Ok, it's after 3 pm and I'm rambling!
     
    05-30-2012, 04:59 PM
  #58
Trained
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Originally Posted by GoAppendix    
It isn't the best representation of either talent or training, for both the horses and the trainers.

I don't really care what you think of the AQHA.
Everyone has to start somewhere, and, since we all cannot be as almighty as apparently you are, some of the organizations actually have shows for those of us who are a work in progress...or consider ourselves so, or do not wish to spend every weekend at a show to make it to the top levels. There are numerous reasons, and not all of them have to do with skill levels, believe it or not.

I used the AQHA as an example. Frankly, we don't really care for your demeaning comments about the ABHA, or what you think either. It was out of line, rude and uncalled for. THAT was my point.
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    05-30-2012, 05:02 PM
  #59
Foal
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Originally Posted by kait18    
ok I am a bit confised like usual :/ op you saw something you considered abuse yet didn't report it to anyone running the show whether local state blah blah. Then from my assumption you have never seen any of these horses in training prior to coming to this event nor have you witnesssed any of these trainers training a horse before? You only spoke with what was it 3 trainers at the show? Yet you are condemning a whole discipline for ill use of tools and whatnot..
Did I get the basics correct??

The way I see it, you don't know the horses or the trainers at the show or what experiences they have. And I don't mean that to sound harsh but you only know a short version of there training. Enless you were part of there training weeks before the event to understand each horse and trainers attitude in why they did certain things you really can't comment.

As far as the sweating goes... my guys look like that after every workout. I have noticed more horses sweating because they are thinking and concentrating on things rather then on actually be worked hard.

As for abuse I can't say, I wasn't there but just because it wasn't your fancy doesn't mean it was abuse. If you don't like what they did then write a negative article about what you find wrong with the industry and send it to whatever individual is incharge of that discpline at the local show/state or whatever shows and maybe it will be changed...

Just my 2 cents lol :p
Mo, 7-10 Trainers & I have watched 2 of them train before and one of them my friends sent they're horses to and they came back sour and had mouthed.
     
    05-30-2012, 05:03 PM
  #60
Green Broke
[QUOTE=DrumRunner;1523939]What you have to understand is while it may not be your cup of tea..It's not your business.. If you don't like it, don't watch or associate with it, but you're not going to stop it and coming onto an open board to bash a discipline just because you don't like it will ruffle quite a few feathers.. Discipline bashing is just not necessary and you can expect to hear a lot of opinions much different than yours.. My aunt and uncle trained western pleasure horses for years, and the different "styles" that come and go are what the client wants..If you want to win, you have to do what's "in" and what the judge is looking for..[/QUOTE]


Just a thought... I wonder if this is what everyone said when the Big Lick Tenn Walkers first came on the scene. Again just an observation.
     

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