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    01-11-2012, 11:28 PM
  #11
Showing
Sometimes it just takes relaxation. I've found horses generally find their sweet spot when you are relaxed and just push them gently. My horse found his miraculously one day when we were sitting trot. Gathered it was the slowest most gentle trot ever.. but he was connected. His spine was up, he was reaching underneath, he had his head frame (without me doing anything special) and yeah we moved like a snail.. but that's how we started. And we built up from there. Lunging in the side reins helped him a lot.

But what I'm saying is, the horse needs to figure it out. If you force them into something.. they'll think that's how it should be and they won't seek out any further.. does that make sense?
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    01-12-2012, 07:46 AM
  #12
Yearling
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Originally Posted by Roperchick    
Im not sayi g constant jacking of their heads we had loose split reins and I would twitch one yhen the other it disnt give her a hard nouth or restrict motion...just so she could feel the bit moving and she would lowee her head. I would also squezze my calves and her rib cage would lift and she qpuld round out.She knew that that meant collection. It wasnt about getting a headset it was about rounding her back... and it wasnt all hand manipulation if you don't have the right form the horse will fight it anyways.
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But you can get the same effect by incorporating BOTH hands in a slight steady even pressure hold, than see sawing, What's the point of making contact with one side of the mouth, then the other side...back and forth, back and forth. There is no real point beecause the horse needs to drop into the bit and PACK the bit with equal pressure on either side of the mouth. If my trainer saw me see sawing my horse, there would be heck to pay.
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    01-12-2012, 10:04 AM
  #13
Foal
No he listens to my leg cues on everything I ask but to drop his head. Thank you all for your great advice.!
     
    01-12-2012, 03:10 PM
  #14
Showing
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Originally Posted by BarrelRacer95    
No he listens to my leg cues on everything I ask but to drop his head. Thank you all for your great advice.!
Oh alright.. I was so confused for a second xD

I hope our advice is of help to you and your horse!
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    01-12-2012, 04:13 PM
  #15
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Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
It's not about 'getting him to drop it", it's about correct riding from you at the jog lope, so he'll use his body correctly...which in turn allows his head to drop where it should based on his conformation.

PLEASE DO NOT SEE SAW THE REINS! All this mean is....you riding the head and trying to FORCE it to drop. You ride the horse's body, get your horse to drive deep with the round and raise the back. THAT'S how you get a "headset".
I agree. Personally I wouldn't want to 'see-saw' or use anything other gadget to force him to do anything either than what his own body is telling him. Does he raise his head at the gait when you are not on his back? If he does it only when you are on him, then it could be many things you are doing that's causing it. So hard to say when we can't see.
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    01-12-2012, 05:13 PM
  #16
Yearling
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Originally Posted by ConfusciusWasAGreatTeachr    
I agree. Personally I wouldn't want to 'see-saw' or use anything other gadget to force him to do anything either than what his own body is telling him. Does he raise his head at the gait when you are not on his back? If he does it only when you are on him, then it could be many things you are doing that's causing it. So hard to say when we can't see.
Usually...a raised head means a hollow back...the horse is not engaged through the body from back to front. Sure you can see saw and get the head is some sort of position, but the back will still be hollow and the body not engaged. That's why see-sawing is a no-no.

Here's a pic of me riding bridleless at the jog and look where my horse's neck and head is....level and relaxed. Why? Because I am using leg and seat here and not doing anything with his face/mouth. I'll say it again, don't ride thee head...ride the body. (Ignore me, don't know what I was looking at...LOL)





     
    01-12-2012, 05:39 PM
  #17
Foal
I agree with GotaDunQH...I don't want to ride his head because I was taught to ride with my body. When I am not riding him he holds his head up. At a walk he drops his head just like GotaDunQH horse in the picture. He has jogged and dropped his head like I want but not always. So I know he can do it but he just doesnt always do it. I want my horse to respond to me body where I can just hope on him and he does as I ask with my legs and body.
     
    01-17-2012, 12:33 AM
  #18
Foal
Headset

I agree with GotaDun.
If your horse is anatomically built to hold his head/neck naturally around level, when the horse learns to use his body right his head will automatically go there.
If you have to seesaw in their mouth or use gimmicks like martingales etc, your horse is probably not physically ready to put his head/neck at level.
A horse must be in really good shape and on a regular exercise/training program in order to be strong enough to go slow and put their head down. If the horse is not in great physical shape it is really VERY unfair to ask them to carry themselves correctly and go slow and level.
Teaching a horse to go slow and level generally involves A LOT of lateral work and suppling to get there.
Try to find some videos by reputable WP trainers to rent (there is a company now that you can rent horse videos, like netflix for horse people....just google for it!).
Good luck in your ventures and always seek a reputable trainer (look at their show record and level of showing, don't just take their word on it!! There are a LOT of yahoos out there calling themselves trainers!) to help you out even if it is just for a lesson once a month! If a trainer always has a horse all balled up, is continually yanking at their face, or the horse just doesnt look happy....find someone else for help because that is NOT the appropriate way to train a horse!
Look up Steve Heckaman and Dana Hokana to get an idea of what correct training looks like.
Have fun and remember a good broke horse will take at least 3 months to start getting the hang of WP and sometimes up to a year, so don't rush it!! Do it right!
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    01-17-2012, 12:20 PM
  #19
Foal
I agree with everything GotaDunQH is saying. Your legs are suppose to do the work not see sawing the mouth. When your horse will be used to it and understand, when you will give a presure of your legs his head will go down. Well that's what my horse does anyways :P
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    01-17-2012, 06:20 PM
  #20
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Originally Posted by GotaDunQH    
Usually...a raised head means a hollow back...the horse is not engaged through the body from back to front. Sure you can see saw and get the head is some sort of position, but the back will still be hollow and the body not engaged. That's why see-sawing is a no-no.

Here's a pic of me riding bridleless at the jog and look where my horse's neck and head is....level and relaxed. Why? Because I am using leg and seat here and not doing anything with his face/mouth. I'll say it again, don't ride thee head...ride the body. (Ignore me, don't know what I was looking at...LOL)





I'm not a western rider. But horses are horses. Your analysis is right on the money and so is your distaste for gimmicks like tie downs, martingales, and yanking or sawing on the mouth.

Even with a bridle and bit, a rider with educated hands and seat (no matter the tack) can get a horse to relax, lower his head to its natural level, and engage the back up.

I'm sounding like a broker record but this video really has some good visuals of how and why low and long works to relax the animal, engage his back, and connect him back to front.

     

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