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    05-18-2011, 07:32 PM
  #11
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by raywonk    
A lope is much slower than a canter and your horse dose not reach out as much in a lope as in the canter. You have to hole and release. When he speads up hold him till he slows down then release. You may only get two stepes before he speads up and you are doing it agien. At first it seems redundent but one day you will notice that he is going longer with out being crected. Now also a nother point is it is easyer to go fast when you are out of fram and shape. So you also have two work on fraim collection and fit ness.
Raywonk don't take this the wrong way. But your spelling is terrible, its hard for me and perhaps others to take you seriously because of all the spelling mistakes you make with simple worlds. I feel you give some good advice its just very difficult for me to read and understand your posts at times. Maybe im the only one, but I figured id say something.
     
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    05-18-2011, 08:29 PM
  #12
Weanling
I am very sorry. I have a learning desabilaty that makes it hard for me and my stupid spell cheak is not working. I try to make it semple what I am saying so as not to make it hard to read. Which dosent always help with the advice.
Agien I am very sorry. You should see how bad my numbers are.
     
    05-18-2011, 08:36 PM
  #13
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by raywonk    
I am very sorry. I have a learning desabilaty that makes it hard for me and my stupid spell cheak is not working. I try to make it semple what I am saying so as not to make it hard to read. Which dosent always help with the advice.
Agien I am very sorry. You should see how bad my numbers are.
Its understandable, I too have a learning disability and have struggled with spelling my whole life. I rely of spell check as if my life depended on it. If I came off rude I didnt mean to be, I felt as if I needed pointed out and im glad you recognize it.
     
    05-18-2011, 09:08 PM
  #14
Weanling
You did not come off rude at all. I sometimes will not post be cause of it. I know that it also makes people think I am a kid wich is sadly not true anymore.
     
    05-18-2011, 09:12 PM
  #15
Green Broke
You can always install a free internet spell checker. Depending on that internet service you use
     
    05-18-2011, 09:20 PM
  #16
Weanling
Realy I will have to look in to that I am not a computer person at all but I have a friend who could help me. Thanks so much.
     
    05-19-2011, 07:14 AM
  #17
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by lopinlowandslow    
Roxxy-farmpony84 and MHFoundation Quarters have given you some great advice, It all comes from behind :) Drive him into the bit, get him to work under himself, do circles, serpentines, stop, back up, try again, repeat. Do not just take him on a long ride...he needs to develop proper muscling and learn to use his body correctly.
So am I to understand that a collected horse only canters slow? Or is it because you are "driving him into the bit" or essentially holding him back with the bit? I understand that with English riding you have contact, but wouldn't it be better for the horse to decide to go slower on his own? That's what happens when you take him for the long rides. Personally, I don't want to have to micromanage every step that my horse makes. I would rather have him be responsible for what he does. Whether he was to walk, trot, or lope, he should stay at that until I ask for something different.
     
    05-19-2011, 07:46 AM
  #18
Showing
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Originally Posted by usandpets    
So am I to understand that a collected horse only canters slow? Or is it because you are "driving him into the bit" or essentially holding him back with the bit? I understand that with English riding you have contact, but wouldn't it be better for the horse to decide to go slower on his own? That's what happens when you take him for the long rides. Personally, I don't want to have to micromanage every step that my horse makes. I would rather have him be responsible for what he does. Whether he was to walk, trot, or lope, he should stay at that until I ask for something different.

No, not only collected horses can canter slow, but it's more correct when they are working under themselves instead of legs straggling along behind. I agree taking a horse on a long ride will slow him down by tiring him out, but I want my horse to slow down with the slightest of cues. It isn't usually an option to take a horse for a 5 mile ride to find his lope for showing purposes. I personally don't "hold" them, it's light pressure on the bit and asking them to get their hind legs up under them and find where it is naturally comfortable & correct to work in a slower lope. This will eventually translate into a slight weight shift and a very light (almost unnoticeable) lift of the reins and they slow down on cue. I don't think that is micromanaging, it's training. I also expect my horses to stay in whatever gait asked until asked otherwise but also expect it at the speed I ask. For me it's necessary for them to learn as most I train go on to careers either in a WP or Reining pen. A reiner has to work slow and fast loping circles in the same pattern and must be taught cues to do so successfully.
     
    05-19-2011, 11:38 AM
  #19
Foal
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Originally Posted by usandpets    
So am I to understand that a collected horse only canters slow? Or is it because you are "driving him into the bit" or essentially holding him back with the bit? I understand that with English riding you have contact, but wouldn't it be better for the horse to decide to go slower on his own? That's what happens when you take him for the long rides. Personally, I don't want to have to micromanage every step that my horse makes. I would rather have him be responsible for what he does. Whether he was to walk, trot, or lope, he should stay at that until I ask for something different.
I think MHFoundation Quarters answered this very well. I ask him to go on the bit (note I am usually schooling in a snaffle to get them working correctly and building the correct muscles before transitioning into a curb bit) which will have him working off his hindquarters and therefore make it easier for him to be slow AND correct. If my horse has the correct conformation getting him on the bit and slowing him down should not be a problem. I am not holding him back. I am asking him to "suspend" his front end and really reach and drive behind. Circles will also help him slow because he must reach underneath himself and balance. The problem with taking him on a long ride is that he is not using himself correctly, he is not driving with his hind and he is not lifting his shoulder. Also, if a horse is out of shape/just beginning training I am not going to ask them to lope for 9 miles. That is just ridiculous. I also want them doing one thing until I tell them otherwise, but I will not make them do more than they are capable of doing. I will work them up to being able to do that much loping, correctly. It is not micromanaging, it is training to work correctly and use their body. And yes, sometimes just asking them to collect will not slow them down. So instead of loping for a long time I will lope for a VERY short amount of time, maybe 6 strides, ask for a nice, correct, deep stop, then repeat. They will begin to think "I'm just going to stop in 6 strides or so anyways so why should I go fast?" but before that they must be working correctly.
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    05-20-2011, 08:30 AM
  #20
Green Broke
I'm not disagreeing that the horse will work better when they have the correct form or is collected and that the horse should be light on the bit. I just don't see how a horse being collected or having "the correct muscles" is going to get him to lope slower.

I don't take the horse on a long ride to tire him out to go slower, but to teach him how to pace himself. I also don't want to be constantly correcting the horse, "Nope. Going to fast, slow down. Nope. Going to fast, slow down. Etc." until the horse thinks, "Gee why don't I just go slower so they quit pulling on my mouth." What happens, lopinlowandslow, when you let the horse go for more than six or so strides? Does the horse think "Well they're going to make me stop so I'll just keep going slow." or" Wow! They're not stopping me. Maybe I can go faster." So you have to go back to stopping to correct them.

I agree that going for that long of a ride with an out of shape horse would be bad. If you are training the horse regularly, working on things with the walk and trot, the horse wouldn't be out of shape when you start to work on the canter or lope. You also need to first work on making sure the horse responds to your cues at the canter. I'm not saying you should take a horse that's been out to pasture for a year or a horse that you've just begun to saddle for a ride like that. I guess I assumed that would be common sense.

Driving them into the bit isn't the only way to get them to work off their rear end. Backing and doing rollbacks work too.

If taking them on long rides at the lope is wrong to get them to go slower, we better tell Clinton Anderson and everyone else that uses his methods that they are wrong, even though it works. If I remember right, that's what the OP was asking about, something to get her horse to slow down.

I'm not saying you are wrong. I just don't agree that getting the horse collected and having the right muscles will slow him down.
     

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