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    11-29-2010, 01:04 AM
  #91
Weanling
I am so glad their was nothing on tv. This post was an awesome read! It was only missing popcorn.
     
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    11-29-2010, 02:04 AM
  #92
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Most fun I've had in days!
     
    11-29-2010, 04:41 AM
  #93
Weanling
^^ahahaha agreed! The horse in my avatar? My horse? 100% trained by me. From the first time he ever had a halter on. Sometimes I wish I had the money to go out and buy myself a made horse, but I take pride in hearing other people tell me what a good job I have done with the scraggly, $750 colt, who is now 6 and has the sweetest, calmest temperment you've ever seen. No, he isnt a world champion, and he's still green and hasnt won all blue ribbons at shows, but I can tell you that there is an ASTOUNDING difference between riding a made horse that already knows everything, versus TEACHING that horse how to do everything so that someone can get on and ride it without any problems.

I'm sorry, but from the comments I have read that the few WP RIDERS have made, makes me want to generalize them as snobby, know it all, gets everything handed to them, brats.
     
    11-29-2010, 12:21 PM
  #94
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Originally Posted by cosmomomo    
I'm sorry, but from the comments I have read that the few WP RIDERS have made, makes me want to generalize them as snobby, know it all, gets everything handed to them, brats.
Ouch. I bought my first horse before I bought my first car. I paid $500 for a half starved green broke unregistered 3 year old QH with a hole in the side of his face that oozed puss. Man he was gorgeous, with that shaggy coat and those protruding ribs. Even with the scab over his withers that was crusted and covered in gnats. That was one pretty horse. I "trained" him to ride hunt. We showed hunt for years, even did a little dressage. I rode him in drill teams and parades for years. He'll be 27 in March. Did I really "train" him myself? No, he was broke to a saddle when I got him, I tossed in some home-made commands and threw him over some jumps. We had a blast together. We even won some blue ribbons, actually, we won a lot of them. I'm very proud of our accomplishments, and even now when I call him in for dinner and he gets that slimy slop all over me and poops in his dish and drops hay in his water bucket and paces in his stall until the poop is completely spread from one end to the other, I'm still proud of him, and me, and us.

My new Western Pleasure trained horse is almost five. Did I train him myself? No way, I'm not a trainer. I had my mare bred at my trainers and I left her there to have the baby. "I don't know nothing about birthing babies" I then kept the baby at my trainers while she taught me to halter break him and handle him on the ground.

Once I was confortable I took him home and worked on the ground with him until it was time to break him. I took him back to the professional and she did that part. We've been working together in his training but she is my trainer. I'm the rider. Am I spoiled? No. Am I proud of my accomplishments? YES! I work my tail off to get what I get. How dare anyone say a person is spoiled, or lazy, or not talented just because they can afford to do what we can't. Sheesh.
     
    11-29-2010, 05:49 PM
  #95
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I'm sorry, but from the comments I have read that the few WP RIDERS have made, makes me want to generalize them as snobby, know it all, gets everything handed to them, brats.
Well sorry if I came off that way honestly . . I tend to get snapy and am not normally like this. I was raised on a small barn with 2-3 horses and had to compete against the older riders with more money, better horses, and better trainers. BTW my horse ongrees multiple hampion I have owned sine birth and have been involved in his training every step at a time. . . Did most of it myself under another trainers watchful eye
     
    11-29-2010, 11:20 PM
  #96
Yearling
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Originally Posted by farmpony84    
Ouch. I bought my first horse before I bought my first car. I paid $500 for a half starved green broke unregistered 3 year old QH with a hole in the side of his face that oozed puss. Man he was gorgeous, with that shaggy coat and those protruding ribs. Even with the scab over his withers that was crusted and covered in gnats. That was one pretty horse. I "trained" him to ride hunt. We showed hunt for years, even did a little dressage. I rode him in drill teams and parades for years. He'll be 27 in March. Did I really "train" him myself? No, he was broke to a saddle when I got him, I tossed in some home-made commands and threw him over some jumps. We had a blast together. We even won some blue ribbons, actually, we won a lot of them. I'm very proud of our accomplishments, and even now when I call him in for dinner and he gets that slimy slop all over me and poops in his dish and drops hay in his water bucket and paces in his stall until the poop is completely spread from one end to the other, I'm still proud of him, and me, and us.

My new Western Pleasure trained horse is almost five. Did I train him myself? No way, I'm not a trainer. I had my mare bred at my trainers and I left her there to have the baby. "I don't know nothing about birthing babies" I then kept the baby at my trainers while she taught me to halter break him and handle him on the ground.

Once I was confortable I took him home and worked on the ground with him until it was time to break him. I took him back to the professional and she did that part. We've been working together in his training but she is my trainer. I'm the rider. Am I spoiled? No. Am I proud of my accomplishments? YES! I work my tail off to get what I get. How dare anyone say a person is spoiled, or lazy, or not talented just because they can afford to do what we can't. Sheesh.
^^agree!!^^ not everyone in the sport is spoiled/lacks talent/is a know-it-all. I think WP riders on this forum are quick to get defensive because of the WP bashing that goes on on this forum. There are not many enthusiasts of the sport on here. Maybe there are a few but I think some are in the closet for fear of the S**t storm from other members.

I resent a lot of the statements on this thread. But the overall tone of it is what is irking me; the insinuation that WP riders are abusive, uneducated, spoiled and snobby. Well, I've been to a bunch of A circut shows this year (as a braider, not a rider) and THAT was snobby. Wanna talk spoiled kids?? Crap on a cracker - there were some beauties, so please don't male it seem exclusive to WP. And Jerk n' Spur is NOT reserved for the WP rider. You see it in every discipline. My husband makes bits and spurs and the bits he has refused to make(because he thought they were inhumane) come from A circut riders and speed event riders for the most part - not usually a WP trainer. If ya don't like the sport - don't watch, and don't get holier-than-thou with those who like it please! It's a personal choice...I like it, you don't. So what?
     
    11-30-2010, 12:36 AM
  #97
Weanling
Haha trust me I am all with you on the "A circuit" snobs as well! Its not going to stop me from wanting to show at that level one day, but I can't stand them either. I don't generalize WP as that, I know one girl who competes the dicipline and sure, she is handed everything, but she is one of the most humble girls I know. I was just saying that from the comments some of them made on here, it just made me WANT to generalize them as that, because it gave some more examples of what seemed to fit the description.
     
    11-30-2010, 01:09 AM
  #98
Weanling
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Originally Posted by shesinthebarn    
^^agree!!^^ not everyone in the sport is spoiled/lacks talent/is a know-it-all. I think WP riders on this forum are quick to get defensive because of the WP bashing that goes on on this forum. There are not many enthusiasts of the sport on here. Maybe there are a few but I think some are in the closet for fear of the S**t storm from other members.

I resent a lot of the statements on this thread. But the overall tone of it is what is irking me; the insinuation that WP riders are abusive, uneducated, spoiled and snobby. Well, I've been to a bunch of A circut shows this year (as a braider, not a rider) and THAT was snobby. Wanna talk spoiled kids?? Crap on a cracker - there were some beauties, so please don't male it seem exclusive to WP. And Jerk n' Spur is NOT reserved for the WP rider. You see it in every discipline. My husband makes bits and spurs and the bits he has refused to make(because he thought they were inhumane) come from A circut riders and speed event riders for the most part - not usually a WP trainer. If ya don't like the sport - don't watch, and don't get holier-than-thou with those who like it please! It's a personal choice...I like it, you don't. So what?
you know, I really agree with you.

But just for everyone- I have in no way have been handed anything that I have. I've just about worked for it all.
     
    11-30-2010, 02:04 AM
  #99
Showing
I started this thread because I was curious about how the training methods from today differed from what I am familiar with. It was very civil and nice and objective (not to mention it was basically in the thread graveyard) until you guys (generic term) brought it back up. Everyone who posted here was discussing their own personal experiences with WP riders or WP trainers, which is what I asked for. There was no breed bashing, nor discipline bashing, nor snippy remarks until then. I was, quite frankly, perfectly content to let this thread drift away into the abyss that is the HF graveyard since it appeared to have reached it's end because I kind of figured eventually it would turn into this. I don't hate everyone who rides WP either. I actually have a great deal of respect for people like Farmpony because I know that she worked for what she's got and she doesn't have a snooty attitude about it. We may disagree on things, but we are willing to accept each other's opinions. I know exactly how much work goes into training a winning horse and for you to insinuate that training a champion is no more of an accomplishment than riding one that was already trained is downright offensive to people who spend their lives training and winning for people like you.

I am pigheaded, you're right, but that doesn't automatically make me wrong. The biggest problem that I have with certain members of the WP community is that, if we don't automatically blow rainbows and butterflies about how great of a discipline it is, they immediately stick their fingers in their ears and start saying "Lalala, I'm not listening because you don't know what you're talking about and therefore have no valuable input". There is a double standard at work here. You are allowed to say that the Arab WP disgusts you and that's all well and good, but we can't say that stock horse WP disgusts us? Very hypocritical.

So, in a pathetic attempt to steer this thread back onto it's original, CIVIL course.

How, in detail, are the WP horses of today trained? How does your trainer teach 'collection' and cruise control? I am not really looking for general statements like "they get them collected and working off their hind", I want details. Do they teach the spur stop? Do they use a martingale or draw reins? How, exactly, do they do it?
     
    11-30-2010, 10:39 PM
  #100
Weanling
You know, I don't have any idea why I'm getting involved in this, but I will, mainly because I am tired of all the bashing the western pleasure is receiving. It's not perfect, but it's not akin to the devil either.. First off, for my background. I am not a world champion western pleasure trainer - I have trained my own mare to top ten and top five placings at the world show, but not in western pleasure. Nor do I specialize in western pleasure. I am more of an English girl now, riding at a USEF barn, but still showing AQHA. But, I love a GOOD western pleasure horse. I bred my old broodmare to Passing in Along, a full brother to Barpassers Image (mare has had at least 5 foals to the world show, numerous placers, and year end award winners) in hopes of getting my GOOD western pleasure horse. Had her last two foals by him, one has the mind but not the movement, the other has the movement but not the mind to do circles. I could have pushed the good minded one to be a decent local western pleasure horse - he can jog all day long, but lope was so so. But to me, the decent western pleaure horses are not pleaurable. He ended up being a better Hunter :) To me, when you see a true western pleaure horse, they are a joy to watch. Horses like vital signs are good, One hot krymsun, a certain vino. Those horses are pretty movers to me, that other horses try to imitate, but often do look crippled because they cannot physically do it. That's why I won't force an okay mover to try and do what they physicaly can't.

As for training methods, you won't be able to get specific methods. A good trainer will adjust, and have a different way of doing things for many different horses in the barn. Trainers often take lessons or clinics with other trainers to keep up their knowledge, they ask for help at shows. When one method doesn't work, they try another. I know for me, when I am working with a horse in a western pleaure style, I have numerous ways of getting the horse to slow down, and rock back over their hocks while loping. And no, it doesn't include draw reins or complete spur stop. To describe all of them in detail would take over an hour, much less to go through all the things the horses need to learn how to do to travel properly in a western pleasure class.

I will admit western pleasure is not perfect - that's part of the reason why it is not one of my main classes. If I ever have a true western pleaure horse then I would jump in feet first. I think the class could be improved, but personally, I think the HUS class in breed shows needs a ton of improvement as well to keep up with how the other english classes are improving, but that's another subject all together. However, I do not feel western pleaure deserves the generalized bashing it receives on this forum. The class has improved over recent years, but no class will ever be perfect, and there is no way to have the class run, in any format, where all horse people would be happy. Remember, ask two horse people a question and get three different answers.
     

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