I guess I should let you all in on where I am coming from. I didn't really suspect that there would be such a big difference. When my Dad was training WP horses, he would get them started under saddle just like he would a horse destined for any other discipline. Before he ever started working on headset or speed, they would be confident, comfortable, and flat at all 3 gaits, soft in their mouth, neck reining, and have a very nice solid stop. After they were ready, he would begin to work on controlling their speed. He would work in thousands of circles, walking, trotting, loping and every few strides, he would stop them, back them a couple of steps, and just kinda hold them there for a second. By this time, the horse would be stopping on their butt and tuck their nose when he picked up the reins. He would work trot-stop-back, lope-stop-back the entire time he would ride the horse (maybe an hour or 2 a day, probably 4 days a week). Soon, they would begin to anticipate the stop, they would keep their butt up underneath them and keep their head lower though it would still be level and natural. He calls it "moving with their brakes on". He would never ride these horses in spurs and he produced what I consider the perfect WP horse; controlled, level, truly working from their butt, soft, and responsive. I wish that I had some of those old videos of horse shows on the computer but I have yet to find a good way to get them from the VHS to computer or disc and correct all the tracking errors and such.