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  • Cruelity in western pleasure training
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    07-03-2010, 09:59 PM
  #21
Weanling
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Originally Posted by Eliz    
There's nothing wrong with good, long, concentrated rides & wet saddle pads :)
^^LOL
Don't yah just love the sweet scent of horse sweat, the sound of heavy breathing and the feel of a tired horse.
I feel so cruel :P
     
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    07-03-2010, 10:03 PM
  #22
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Originally Posted by x Branded Heart x    
^^LOL
Don't yah just love the sweet scent of horse sweat, the sound of heavy breathing and the feel of a tired horse.
I feel so cruel :P
Lol Actually I don't find it too sweet-smelling! :p
     
    07-03-2010, 10:05 PM
  #23
Weanling
Lol sarcasm was intended.
     
    07-04-2010, 01:03 PM
  #24
Weanling
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Originally Posted by smrobs    
I guess I should let you all in on where I am coming from. I didn't really suspect that there would be such a big difference. When my Dad was training WP horses, he would get them started under saddle just like he would a horse destined for any other discipline. Before he ever started working on headset or speed, they would be confident, comfortable, and flat at all 3 gaits, soft in their mouth, neck reining, and have a very nice solid stop. After they were ready, he would begin to work on controlling their speed. He would work in thousands of circles, walking, trotting, loping and every few strides, he would stop them, back them a couple of steps, and just kinda hold them there for a second. By this time, the horse would be stopping on their butt and tuck their nose when he picked up the reins. He would work trot-stop-back, lope-stop-back the entire time he would ride the horse (maybe an hour or 2 a day, probably 4 days a week). Soon, they would begin to anticipate the stop, they would keep their butt up underneath them and keep their head lower though it would still be level and natural. He calls it "moving with their brakes on". He would never ride these horses in spurs and he produced what I consider the perfect WP horse; controlled, level, truly working from their butt, soft, and responsive. I wish that I had some of those old videos of horse shows on the computer but I have yet to find a good way to get them from the VHS to computer or disc and correct all the tracking errors and such.
This is exactly how my old trainer trained her western pleasure horses. I now use this method to train my horses. Sadly alot of trainers have resulted into using harsh methods.
     
    07-07-2010, 04:56 PM
  #25
Foal
I think a huge problem we see today with WP is people trying to push horses into a discepline they aren't bred for. Under most curcimstances, you cannot naurally make a barrel bred horse into a deep hocked, flat kneed, rocked back, pleasure loper. The really nice pleasure horses are bred for just that type of movement. I've had the priviledge to ride some amazing horses, multiple world champions in the pleasure, and they were bred to move slow, deep, and sweeping. They obviously didn't hit the ground knowing how to best use their talent, but training them was pretty straight forward. Teaching them balance helps them settle into a naturaly slow gait. Teaching collection, rounding of the back, and lifting of the shoulders, sets them into self carriage where it is conformationall comfortable for them to travel with a level head.

Once again, the biggest problem we see today is trainers trying to make a buck by forcing an animal who isn't bred conformationally or movement wise for this class. I would be happy to answer any questions on this discipline, friendly or not. Thanks for reading :]
     
    07-07-2010, 05:14 PM
  #26
Foal
I think a huge problem we see today with WP is people trying to push horses into a discepline they aren't bred for. Under most curcimstances, you cannot naurally make a barrel bred horse into a deep hocked, flat kneed, rocked back, pleasure loper. The really nice pleasure horses are bred for just that type of movement. I've had the priviledge to ride some amazing horses, multiple world champions in the pleasure, and they were bred to move slow, deep, and sweeping. They obviously didn't hit the ground knowing how to best use their talent, but training them was pretty straight forward. Teaching them balance helps them settle into a naturaly slow gait. Teaching collection, rounding of the back, and lifting of the shoulders, sets them into self carriage where it is conformationall comfortable for them to travel with a level head. We work for forward motion and hip engagement. The speed is absorbed by a deep, springy hock, that drives to the horse forward slowly.

Take this video for example... This guy naturally doesn't have a very big stride. Nice, two beat jog with springy hocks, but isn't covering a lot of ground. Good natural jogger. Same at the lope, flat front knee, deep hock coming under him. It will be easy to utilize his natural good movement into a great pleasure horse with some training in balance, cadence, and collection. Notice he also holds his head pretty level.


Lets compair a nice natural moving pleasure horse to one that was stuffed into the pleasure class. This mare is balanced, cadenced, and driving from her hock. She is forward and traveling uphill with a level topline calmly....Look at the bay behind her in some clips. Not balanced, choppy, and head bobbing along. This horse was not bred to move this slow comfortably. He has a big body and is probably a hunter horse mot of the time. Notice the tail wringing in irritation when asked to slow down more.


Another example...This is a great example of a finished westren rider (class incorporation flying changes in a pattern. Look how balanced this guy is. Loose reins, forward motion, nice deep hock. A horse cannot change leads like this with out being forward and balanced. This guy was bred to do this.


Once again, the biggest problem we see today is trainers trying to make a buck by forcing an animal who isn't bred conformationally or movement wise for this class. I would be happy to answer any questions on this discipline, friendly or not. Thanks for reading :]
     
    07-07-2010, 05:18 PM
  #27
Foal
Mods, please delete my first post, I decided to provide examples. Thanks
     
    07-08-2010, 03:49 PM
  #28
Yearling
Oh! I love the appy! That's my kind of ride... a lope that still has the 'rhythm'. Not that weird thing you have to sit where your body contorts sideways with every stride... :/

Liked your examples. :)
     
    07-08-2010, 04:17 PM
  #29
Weanling
Miami~
I second: love the appy!
That, to me is what wp should be! In another thread, I viewed examples of "good" and "bad" wp lopes, and they were all hideous, in my opinion. Even the good examples seemed stilted and false. It would be a "pleasure" to ride that horse!
     
    07-08-2010, 06:05 PM
  #30
Yearling
My trainer slowed my mare down by just many rides with her head level. I remember the week before fair I was at her house every day and I did 3 hours straight of nothing but trotting. We placed WELL in western pleasre there too.
     

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