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        04-23-2010, 08:29 AM
      #91
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    Originally Posted by IllComeALopin    
    but you cannot compare the way my huge, lanky, 16 + hand quarter horse moves to the way a 14 hand, short, bulldoggy cow horse is going to move... its just impossible.
    I do not disagree with that. Some horses are truly not made to do certain things.

    No one said otherwise so I am not sure what your point is.


    And for the record, height truly had nothing to do with it. There are short horses with a very long and free flowing step that could easily float past a tall horse with a short choppy step. Conformation determines this, not height.
         
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        04-23-2010, 08:36 AM
      #92
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    ....yeah I'm out. Your all right, western pleasure is uncomfortable, dangerous, and unnatrual. ;)
         
        04-23-2010, 08:37 AM
      #93
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    But lanky does not mean free flowing shoulder & hip.
         
        04-23-2010, 09:15 AM
      #94
    Weanling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by IllComeALopin    
    But you think putting sliders on the back and doing those long drawn out slides and spins is not harmful at all? Horses were not built to do that either, that is very unatrual to me.

    And no, I was not refering to you in the least.
    I actually agree with this!

    One is not worse than the other.

    I still think the issue is making the horse do something they can't do. Be it loping slow, sliding stop, jumping, racing, etc.

    I have both reiners and pleasure horses and honestly I don't see one being necessarily harder than the other when they are made to do it.
         
        04-23-2010, 02:23 PM
      #95
    Foal
    I'm going to be showing a my green 16.2H AQHA mare this year in just some local WP shows. And believe it or not, the competition is fierce. I can guarantee that her slow collected lope (no lurching) is going to be way faster than the 14.3H collected lope. I know that I am going to feel like I am lapping the field, but as long as she goes along collected, loosed reined and we're on the correct lead (ha! Ha!), I'm pretty sure we are going to place in the top three.

    When I go to a show, yeah I want to win, but I also say, "I'm going for a hot dog and a coke and a GOOD time." If I'm not having fun, then neither is my horse. And if I can't laugh at myself and know that it isn't all about me, then I shouldn't be showing.

    Next year on to English and Jumping. We are going to fllllyyyyyyy!!!
         
        04-23-2010, 02:26 PM
      #96
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    Originally Posted by Roberto    
    When I go to a show, yeah I want to win, but I also say, "I'm going for a hot dog and a coke and a GOOD time." If I'm not having fun, then neither is my horse. And if I can't laugh at myself and know that it isn't all about me, then I shouldn't be showing.
    Love that hot dog and coke line! And I love your attitude! I too think that is what showing is all about.

    It expensive to go to an amusement park all day too, but I do not leave there expecting to have won something.

    Go to a horse show and do my best and my horse does their best and it is a good day, I say!
         
        04-23-2010, 08:54 PM
      #97
    Green Broke
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    Originally Posted by IllComeALopin    
    My 16h quarter horse will never, ever, move like a reining horse. You have to understand there is a huge difference in a 14 hand qh and a 16 hand qh. His lope is slower already and all I have done is walk along the trail.
    I would NEVER ask him to come to a sliding stop or spin like a reining horse, his legs are to long and he is built to petite; it would not only be to difficult it would be unfair and dangerous.
    Hey, IlllComeALopin, I have an honest question. Are you saying that your 16 hand horse moves slower than a 14 hand horse? Is that typical in the show ring?

    I would have thought that the taller the horse, the longer the stride, the more ground it would cover with ease. In other words, I would think that a 16 hand horse would move faster and cover more ground than a 14 hand horse? Maybe not as cat-like and quick, but I don't see why he would be slower?

    I guess I am confused on this point and I have a 14.2 hand mustang who never can keep up with taller horses. Of course, just about everyone I ride with has a taller horse than him, and some of them are gaited, but still, he just doesn't seem to have the stride? Of course this is at the walk mainly. His trot and lope can keep up with most everyone. :)
         
        04-23-2010, 10:08 PM
      #98
    Weanling
    Heres what I think a good wp horse looks like:)

         
        04-23-2010, 10:13 PM
      #99
    Super Moderator
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by trailhorserider    
    Hey, IlllComeALopin, I have an honest question. Are you saying that your 16 hand horse moves slower than a 14 hand horse? Is that typical in the show ring?

    I would have thought that the taller the horse, the longer the stride, the more ground it would cover with ease. In other words, I would think that a 16 hand horse would move faster and cover more ground than a 14 hand horse? Maybe not as cat-like and quick, but I don't see why he would be slower?

    I guess I am confused on this point and I have a 14.2 hand mustang who never can keep up with taller horses. Of course, just about everyone I ride with has a taller horse than him, and some of them are gaited, but still, he just doesn't seem to have the stride? Of course this is at the walk mainly. His trot and lope can keep up with most everyone. :)
    This honostly depends on the "make" and "model" of the horse. For instance, my approx. 16 hand, 4 year old western pleasure (all-around prospect) naturally jogs. He will trot out english but it's work to get him to do it because his natural way of going is a nice slow jog. My 14.2 quarter horse is a hunt pony. He trots out at a much faster pace, his short little legs actually have a natural ground covering stride. He is built more for speed or for the hunt ring. My western pleasure boy is built for slow.... It's not really the size that matters as much as the build of the horse.

    There really are horses that can pick up that really slow lope with little to no effort once they've learned to travel from their rear. Some horses don't ever come by it naturally, which as everyone has said, is where they end up w/ that broken look. My guy has an awesome jog but his lope will never be a world qualifier. It's good enough to compete but if the "big boys" are in the ring, there isn't much hope for a blue....
         
        04-23-2010, 10:32 PM
      #100
    Weanling
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    Originally Posted by farmpony84    
    This honostly depends on the "make" and "model" of the horse. For instance, my approx. 16 hand, 4 year old western pleasure (all-around prospect) naturally jogs. He will trot out english but it's work to get him to do it because his natural way of going is a nice slow jog. My 14.2 quarter horse is a hunt pony. He trots out at a much faster pace, his short little legs actually have a natural ground covering stride. He is built more for speed or for the hunt ring. My western pleasure boy is built for slow.... It's not really the size that matters as much as the build of the horse.

    There really are horses that can pick up that really slow lope with little to no effort once they've learned to travel from their rear. Some horses don't ever come by it naturally, which as everyone has said, is where they end up w/ that broken look. My guy has an awesome jog but his lope will never be a world qualifier. It's good enough to compete but if the "big boys" are in the ring, there isn't much hope for a blue....
    I agee with this 100%.

    My reining mare can go slow - she's about 14-14.1hh, but we have an up and coming pleasure prospect (the yearling) who will finish around 15.3hh and he will be able to lope much slower and cleaner than she ever will be able to. That's because he's built to do it. My reining mare is built to do reining, I highly doubt we'll ever see our yearling do a sliding stop like my mare can lol
         

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