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    04-21-2010, 02:53 AM
  #31
Green Broke
^ but there are so many owners that just don't care about that, because they just go along with the fad.
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    04-21-2010, 04:15 AM
  #32
Yearling
And see that is one thing I noticed, the WP loping horses don't look happy. My horses- are happy.

I even read where they cut the nerves in their tails so they hang straight down and can't swish them if they get tired or irritated.

Not to mention they want people to ride with a completely slack rein, so they teach them to stop when you spur them.

I mean really, that's just... wrong.

To ask my horse to stop all I have to do is slightly lean back in the saddle. I hardly even use the reins anyway, mine are trained to voice and leg commands. I know not everyone does things the same, and opinions are just like bum bums- but it just seems to me that we'd have happier, healthier horses if we were a bit more considerate of their health, especially their long term health.
     
    04-21-2010, 08:47 AM
  #33
Banned
Glee was great last night! (Sorry to add to the off topic part of the thread but I just had to chime in about Glee. Loved it last night. Lots of music and dance and such.)
     
    04-21-2010, 09:00 AM
  #34
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Originally Posted by draftrider    

Not to mention they want people to ride with a completely slack rein, so they teach them to stop when you spur them.

I mean really, that's just... wrong.
Not wrong, just a different way of training them... and again not everyone does it.

The wp horses I have ridden had no back problems...

However, I could switch to reining and blow out my horse's hocks... but at 16 + hands I think we'd look a bit silly and that would just be asking for health issues...

The young 3 year old I have now I'd LOVE to make into a nice all around'r. I could have a lot of fun with him, but again I stick to my morals, don't use gimicks, and above everything else I enjoy riding my horse (that includes a LOT of trail riding).

Will I win? Who knows, and I don't care.
     
    04-21-2010, 10:15 AM
  #35
Weanling
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Originally Posted by draftrider    
And see that is one thing I noticed, the WP loping horses don't look happy. My horses- are happy.

This is a little bit of an unfair statement I think. My pleasure horses aren't unhappy, just because a horse has its head down doesn't mean its sad...I get why they may look that way to you, but its unfair to say the WP horses are all unhappy

I even read where they cut the nerves in their tails so they hang straight down and can't swish them if they get tired or irritated.

It's called blocking, and its illegal in AQHA. They don't exactly cut the nerves, they inject an alochol solution that numbs the nerves. Generally it wears off after a year or two. Some people REALLY over do it and get their horses tail done multiple times in a year which is REALLY bad.

Not to mention they want people to ride with a completely slack rein, so they teach them to stop when you spur them.

I mean really, that's just... wrong.

Why is it wrong? How it is wrong? Spurs aren't evil, they don't even break the skin when used right. On my pleasure horses you can get them to stop without spurs, its still called "spur stopping" because of the technique.

To ask my horse to stop all I have to do is slightly lean back in the saddle. I hardly even use the reins anyway, mine are trained to voice and leg commands. I know not everyone does things the same, and opinions are just like bum bums- but it just seems to me that we'd have happier, healthier horses if we were a bit more considerate of their health, especially their long term health.

How is spur stopping harmful to their health. I'm sorry I'm not being rude (just more blunt ahha).
Don't take what I said in anyway rude. Just want to show you that while you may not like the look of it, its not all bad you know. Just because we do things differently doesn't make it wrong.

There are WP people who do over do it. But the top WP horses, the best of the best are living the high life. These horses are pampered to the extreme. And when we are talking about these horses going slow is VERY natural for them.

I think you really need to ride a good one to gain an appreciation, its something that when you aren't used to it does look really funny.

I think a lot of people base their opinions of what they see at the Open show/lower level AQHA shows. If you watch the big shows, while the horses are going slow you see many more that are much more fluid in their movement and more natural.

Obviously their are people in the sport (even top trainers) who do questionable things, but that's any event.

Please don't think my WP horses are unhappy just because they want to go slow and put their head down.
     
    04-21-2010, 11:03 AM
  #36
Yearling
I think that they look unhappy to me because partly because of their posture- dragging their nose in the dirt and shuffling along like an old man in a walker.

How effective is it to teach a horse to stop when it is spurred? When a WP horse retires and is a nice trail mount or whatnot, isn't it odd to have a horse STOP when you spur them? What if say a WP horse ended up at auction and the new owner spurred him and he stopped? The next thing you know you've got someone spurring the hell out of their horse to increase speed, but the horse just stands there? Am I off base here?

And I'm not against spurs. I use them myself, just a blunt rowel. Its just an aid, as long as it is used humanely. It just seems counter productive to teach them to stop using a spur.
     
    04-21-2010, 11:16 AM
  #37
Trained
I don't think anyone is going to win this debate.

I'm not against all WP. But I am against what is currently going on. I can't effectively argue one side because I see from both considering I do still have one WP horse I used to compete on. I retired my others long ago.
     
    04-21-2010, 11:25 AM
  #38
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Originally Posted by draftrider    
And see that is one thing I noticed, the WP loping horses don't look happy. My horses- are happy.

Now I'm starting to get irritated. My horse is a western pleasure horse. His ears are up and forward when he lopes. He does not peanut roll but he does give a slow collected lope. The rules have changed over the years, it is actually acceptable to pass a horse in the western show ring now, speed is not the overall importants, it is collection of gait and consistancy. I'm glad your horses are happy. So are mine.

I even read where they cut the nerves in their tails so they hang straight down and can't swish them if they get tired or irritated.

"They" is not really that many people. It does happen, in EVERY discipline. It is also ILLEGAL so with that statement you are lumping an entire discipline into the outrageous acts of a few dishonost uncaring people.

Not to mention they want people to ride with a completely slack rein, so they teach them to stop when you spur them.

Again, They don't all teach them to spur stop. You ride with complete slack in the reins because you are steering speed and direction completely 100% with your seat.

I mean really, that's just... wrong.

My horse spur stops. It's great, you don't JAM the spur into him. You barely touch him with it, and actually now that he understands it, I have to be very careful because just shifting my leg back and deepening my seat is enough to stop. The spurs are just an EXTENSION of my leg. That is all, they are not some abusive device used merely to cause harm to an animal.

To ask my horse to stop all I have to do is slightly lean back in the saddle. I hardly even use the reins anyway, mine are trained to voice and leg commands. I know not everyone does things the same, and opinions are just like bum bums- but it just seems to me that we'd have happier, healthier horses if we were a bit more considerate of their health, especially their long term health.
I just feel like these last few statements were made out of pure ignorance. You've seen a few western pleasure horses and riders and lumped them into a huge nasty pile.
     
    04-21-2010, 01:14 PM
  #39
Yearling
Thank you Stylishk for your very informative and well written response. It does make more sense the way you explained it.

Farmpony I never said I was against spurs, or that I thought it was cruel, I said I thought it was counterproductive to teach a horse to stop when he is spurred, because the vast majority of the world uses spur pressure as a cue to more faster. I wasn't accusing you of stabbing your horse. Simmer down. Did you not see where I said I use spurs too? My Perch is thick skinned and sluggish at times to the leg, the spur is there to reinforce and tighten my cue.

I might not write eloquently and it might come off harsh, I am sorry for that. I write like I speak- straight from the hip. I don't mince words. If I say that in MY opinion WP loping horses look sad and uncomfortable, its my opinion. You have the right to yours too.

Ignorant is not an insult, it just means that a person hasn't been educated in something yet. So, educate me.
     
    04-21-2010, 01:20 PM
  #40
Trained
When I saw that there was a Western Pleasure sub forum I should have started a pool to predict how long it would take before a bash thread started. I don't like the WP lope but there is nothing for me to gain by debating it any longer. Have a good time!
     

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