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post #41 of 127 Old 04-21-2010, 01:06 PM
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Farmpony I never said I was against spurs, or that I thought it was cruel, I said I thought it was counterproductive to teach a horse to stop when he is spurred, because the vast majority of the world uses spur pressure as a cue to more faster.

Spurs are not used to make a horse go faster if used properly. They are used to convey a cue. Shift their hip move over or something similar. Never for speed.

As to putting what you see in the show ring on the owners. That is BS. First it does not matter what the owners do if their horses do not win it changes nothing. NO one will ever see it. No one will ever know. It will influence no one.

Where it really lies in with the judges. If the judges placed the properly moving horses, ones with their heads in the correct position and not the peanut rollers. Things would change faster then anything. The problem with disciplines like WP is that they place horses 1st 2nd and so on. A horse that places first is only better then the other horses in that group to show that day. This makes it really hard to judge how good they really are. Also it is hard to change things. The judge can only judge what is in front of him. So if they are all moving poorly with head in the dirt then that is all he has. When it comes to looking at the show results there is no way to know how good those horses really are. It was just that they where the best that day.

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I judge dairy goats for the ADGA and rabbits for the ARBA.

If I feel that no animal in the class would place in good competition, I can wipe the class out as "Unworthy of an award".

Perhaps horse shows should take the lead from livestock shows.

Spent a whole hour today laying in a pasture, waiting for a sparkling vampire to show up. Alas, I woke up and looked over, only to find a mound of horse crap. Sigh.
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I judge dairy goats for the ADGA and rabbits for the ARBA.

If I feel that no animal in the class would place in good competition, I can wipe the class out as "Unworthy of an award".

Perhaps horse shows should take the lead from livestock shows.
I do agree with this.
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post #44 of 127 Old 04-21-2010, 02:32 PM
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I trained under a woman that told me some great words of advice for the pleasure arena;

"The best way to get lots of slow is ride lots of fast."
Meaning the faster you push your horse to go, and the more you do it the more the horse is going to want to go slow... you'll never get slow by forcing slow.
My mother always pushes this on me.. I don't like to go fast to let them get tired so its never worked for me


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Let's play a game.....

#1 - Good Lope or Bad Lope?

#2 - Good Lope or Bad Lope?

#3 - Good Lope or Bad Lope?

#4 - Good Lope or Bad Lope?

#5 - Good Lope or Bad Lope?

Here's some extra credit....which ones would you consider NOT a lope?

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My mother always pushes this on me.. I don't like to go fast to let them get tired so its never worked for me
It's not about getting the tired so they go slow. It reminds them how to use their body correctly & build strength so they can carry themselves the same way when they go slow.

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What I have noticed at one AQHA show here is the announcer asking for a "lope with a forward motion", however the four beaters are still winning the class over the "ones with a forward motion", my guess is judges that day still wanted to see the stupid slow horses as their winners (not saying they are stupid as in stupid, but like really really slow motion = stupid slow.. follow me? Haha)..

I wish my iphone wasnt updating at the moment, I have some videos showing a very unhappy paint (my last paint I owned) at the lope that's mega pissed because the trainer has her spur dug into his side to slow him down.. His tail was always quiet if you left him alone, but once she pushed that hip over you could see he was far from happy and he could never show in a class like that. His jog was also slower than his walk (but that could be because of how lame he was) and he rode with his nose in the dirt.. after showing at Gold n Grand I realized I didn't want a horse like that anymore, riding with massive slack in the reins wasn't cool (esp when he spooked and went just about out of control, his spur stop didn't do a dang thing at that point, I even have that on video!). I'm just glad I'm not working with horses like that anymore. That's me though, not judging anyone here.


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This is why I went back to Arabians (I'm sure most light breeds are also like this)


Look how much more free moving the horses are, just a nicer overall picture (to me) than the stock horses..



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Let's play a game.....
Here's some extra credit....which ones would you consider NOT a lope?
I REALLY tried to stay out of this thread but I couldn't help myself.

Number 1 never loped a step that I could see.

Number 2 was at a borderline lope. She also was taking tiny little strides and looked kind of sore at the trot. It might be considered a lope but should have a little more forward motion.

I don't even know what number 3 was supposed to be doing. The video didn't play well but I couldn't even tell if it was on the correct lead.

Number 4 is what a WP horse should look like.

Number 5 was loping and to my eye looked better than the first three. I would not have placed the girl in the class regardless of what her horse did though because her hat was on backwards.

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I don't even know what number 3 was supposed to be doing. The video didn't play well but I couldn't even tell if it was on the correct lead.
The video played fine for me. You did not miss anything good, Kevin.

The poor thing at the jog was basically stabbing it's hind toes into the ground. Weirdest movement ever...until I saw what they call the lope. Did they really think that looks good? They have the poor thing at almost a 45deg angle off the wall and it is tossing it's inside hind leg out to the side instead of extending it forward. I need a puking smiley.
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