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  • When did western pleasure start the limp lope
  • Ideal lope

 
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    04-21-2010, 04:28 PM
  #51
Super Moderator
My thoughts:

Number 1 was a broken mess.

Number 2 was was just ok at the lope with a nicer jog.

I actually liked Number 3 at the lope, The jog was kind of blah until later on when they sped it up. But in my opinion, that one had potential, a little head bobby but traveling nicely from the rear, the rider kept asking the horse to can't which is why it looked really funny on several parts of the video. But I liked that one.

Number 4 was not bad as well, but that was more of a reiner so they don't really do that super slow lope.

Number 5 was a local level lope. The kids looked like they were having fun.
     
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    04-21-2010, 04:31 PM
  #52
Foal
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Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
The video played fine for me. You did not miss anything good, Kevin.

The poor thing at the jog was basically stabbing it's hind toes into the ground. Weirdest movement ever...until I saw what they call the lope. Did they really think that looks good? They have the poor thing at almost a 45deg angle off the wall and it is tossing it's inside hind leg out to the side instead of extending it forward. I need a puking smiley.
to me #3 looked very lame on its front left. Not just the WP lame look but actually lame. I really couldnt comprehend what the rider was trying to accomplish but pushing the hind end so rediculously far to the inside. She was nearly sidepassing (poorly I might add)
     
    04-21-2010, 04:35 PM
  #53
Trained
Quote:
Originally Posted by floored    
This is why I went back to Arabians (I'm sure most light breeds are also like this)

YouTube - US Arabian Western Pleasure Open Final

Look how much more free moving the horses are, just a nicer overall picture (to me) than the stock horses..

YouTube - 16.2 AQHA 2000 Western Pleasure Gelding Zippos Amber Star
The Arabians are not without fault. Some of them are trotting in the ftont and loping in the back and EVERY one is bent behind the vertical in the face.
     
    04-21-2010, 05:31 PM
  #54
Weanling
Very interesting to see the different opinions of the lope. Anyone else want to play the game?
     
    04-21-2010, 06:54 PM
  #55
Trained
I only watched 3 and 4 but I liked 4 myself, and I thinkt hat's what WP should be. If all WP horses were like that, I would start riding the sport again.

And 3.....Dear god, wth Was that supposed to be? The jog was god awful and the lope was like a half-pass dressage horse, only pained and unhappy. I wouldn't want to be him. :(
     
    04-21-2010, 07:24 PM
  #56
Banned
I had a trainer that did WP....... One of her horses, a 16 hand mare, had a really odd, lurching lope, and she said it was from a past owner/trainer. Well, my pony was out for a month with a splint bone, so I rode that mare ONCE. I was riding her and could barelky stay on with that lope, so the RI said to speed her up a bit- and it got her going better, and as she went faster, her lope and body just perked up more........ Until she said "that's too fast. Slow her down" and we were back to the lurch.
Back when my opinion was unbiased, I never liked WP because it was too slow, and whadya know, I still think it is,lol. I like fast and responsive.
     
    04-21-2010, 07:30 PM
  #57
Banned
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Originally Posted by GottaRide    
Let's play a game.....

#1 - Good Lope or Bad Lope?
YouTube - *Sheza Zippin Asset/ AQHA point earner, Incentive fund!western pleasure warm up! NOW FOR SALE:)

#2 - Good Lope or Bad Lope?
YouTube - Rosey and Mom 1.wmv

#3 - Good Lope or Bad Lope?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7M2MWOKTSM

#4 - Good Lope or Bad Lope?
YouTube - SR Broadway Cowboy- 2005 15.3h APHA Gelding For Sale...

#5 - Good Lope or Bad Lope?
YouTube - SOLD!! - Winning Big Time APHA western pleasure/Hunter Jumper/ Trail/English pleasure horse

Here's some extra credit....which ones would you consider NOT a lope?
#1: LOPE?! WHERE?! *looks around*
#2: Poor horse.... why's it's back leg broke?
#3: Erm.... I don't see anything that looks like a lope
#4:Looks comfy and pleasureful
#5: I don't get it. Bad camera action, tons of horses. I couldn't pinpoint anything, so I stoped watching after the lady with the rolls walked by
     
    04-21-2010, 09:08 PM
  #58
Weanling
1 - no real lope here. No rhythm, no drive from the hind end, no roundness to the back
2 - pretty decent jog, okay lope. It's correct but nothing spectacular.
3 - don't like the jog, but the lope has potential. I would want to see this horse go without being overly canted. It looks like it could do it, but the rider is overriding it. Deep hind leg and slow legged
4 - nice horse, but the lope wouldn't work for western pleasure, and I don't think with his way of going that he could do it correctly
5 - not really broke, no collection.
     
    04-21-2010, 09:21 PM
  #59
Weanling
Here's the thing to me. There are a few horses that are the breed ideal for western pleasure. To me, these would be Vital Signs are Good, Sweet Talkin' Jeanie, VS Code Red, One Hot Krymsun, A Certain Vino. The problem comes when people try to make horses that can't physically move that way go that way. That's how you end up with horses that look lame/sore/unhappy.

Sometimes this class is a class all on its own, but even today there are multiple horses that go on from being a top western pleasure horse to being an all-around horse. Vital Signs are Good and Sweet talkin' jeanie have competed very successfully in western riding, horsemanship and trail. And The Krymsun Kruzer placed in the top 10 at the AQHA world show in 2yr old WP, the class that many people seem to think ruins good horses. Last year, this horse went on to be the Superhorse at the World Show, mainly in ENGLISH and OVER FENCE classes. They are true all-around horses that had their basics in highly competitive WP and went on to successful careers in other events.
     
    04-21-2010, 09:29 PM
  #60
Weanling
1-that honestly was not even a lope. And if you people think that's what wp is, its sooo not! That is the most unwanted thing.
2-it was ok, the horse was pretty fat though.
3-beautiful. That is the ideal western lope. And if you know anything bout horses, you can tell its a nice lope and has a good 3-beat rythm, unlike number 1, which was a 4-beat rythm,
4-wwwwaaaaayyyyy to fast.
5-bad!!!
     

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