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  • Is riding an uncollected horse harmful?
  • Why do western pleasure horses look crippled

 
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    04-23-2010, 01:14 AM
  #81
Trained
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Originally Posted by IllComeALopin    
Right.

The thing is, when everyone says; "I don't like the way they place horses who lope so unatural so I'm not going to show..."
Who does that leave you with now that they are trying to change? People that are loping unatrual! So you have 10 people to pick from and they are all loping like crap... so right now they have to pick the best crappiest loper...

Again; that's jmo and what do I know? I'm one of those non-serious people who enjoy riding even if I don't win anything for it.

If you are referring to me, I'd like to offer a point of clarification.

I'm NOT showing anymore because I believe its going to LAME my horses. I already had a filly die, I don't need to deal with that again.
     
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    04-23-2010, 03:31 AM
  #82
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Originally Posted by GottaRide    
Let's play a game.....

#1 - Good Lope or Bad Lope?
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#2 - Good Lope or Bad Lope?
YouTube - Rosey and Mom 1.wmv

#3 - Good Lope or Bad Lope?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7M2MWOKTSM

#4 - Good Lope or Bad Lope?
YouTube - SR Broadway Cowboy- 2005 15.3h APHA Gelding For Sale...

#5 - Good Lope or Bad Lope?
YouTube - SOLD!! - Winning Big Time APHA western pleasure/Hunter Jumper/ Trail/English pleasure horse

Here's some extra credit....which ones would you consider NOT a lope?
Horse #1, not a lope. But hey, at least it has a touch of speed to it. It looks like a trot in front, lope behind. I think my funky pregnant Foxtrotter does this on occasion.

Horse #2. Poor tired old booger. Must be about 35 and full of arthritis. (I know it is not that old, but hey, a horse should never move this slow unless there is something physically wrong with it). I know people train for this and I say YUCK!

Horse #3. The lateral movement is "cool" but that's still too slow for my taste.

Horse #4. Closer to normal and has some spead. Looks like it is trying to ride the line between a 4-beat western pleasure lope and normal.

Horse(s) #5. Hey Western Please folks, this is what normal horses move like! A little high-headed at times perhaps, but they actually look sound and can move! They look like a pleasure to ride! What a concept!
     
    04-23-2010, 03:59 AM
  #83
Green Broke
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Originally Posted by sandsarita    
That is one of the "been there done that" horses that has been around, winning, for years. His lope is a little sped up to change leads, but when he slows down he keeps that same cadence.

How about this guy (they start with the riding at about 2:00). I just wish I could find a video of his mama, who in my opinion is one of the best WP horses out there. YouTube - Invest N Vital Signs

Or this guy
YouTube - ONE HOT KRYMSUN - Three Moments In Time

These are two of the horses people are trying to make their horses go like; unfortunately, most just aren't capable. I wish people would start showing their horse to the best of their ability.
I couldn't get the "Lope on In" video to play for me, it just buffered and buffered, so I can't comment on that one.

So sorry if I offend someone (or maybe not, maybe folks need a wake-up call) but Invest N Vital Signs looks crippled and short strided at the lope to me. Like he can't get his hind end underneath him and he has to hop around in order to get enough impulsion to move forward. I hope my horses never lope this way.

One Hot Krymsun. You know what, even though it's slow, this horse actually lopes and doesn't look stiff or crippled. Wow, I didn't think a horse could lope so slow and still look "normal" but this one can pull it off. It doesn't seem to have that funky extra beat that most of them have, and it isn't hopping from lack of forward impulsion either. That's an improvement!

PS. I still say a Western Pleasure horse should move like a reining horse without the spins and sliding stops. Now those horses look like a pleasure to ride! A touch of speed with perfect responsiveness and total control and finesse. That is what a "normal" very well trained western horse should move like in my eyes. Maybe I am just a speed demon. Nah, horses just look better when they move with speed and grace!
     
    04-23-2010, 07:47 AM
  #84
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Originally Posted by trailhorserider    
I couldn't get the "Lope on In" video to play for me, it just buffered and buffered, so I can't comment on that one.
You just have to wait it out. It buffers for what seems like forever and then it starts playing at the lope part.

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Originally Posted by trailhorserider    
PS. I still say a Western Pleasure horse should move like a reining horse without the spins and sliding stops. Now those horses look like a pleasure to ride! A touch of speed with perfect responsiveness and total control and finesse. That is what a "normal" very well trained western horse should move like in my eyes. Maybe I am just a speed demon. Nah, horses just look better when they move with speed and grace!
I have to agree. There truly is nothing pleasurable looking about a horse that is having to toss its front end like that to move forward almost not at all.
     
    04-23-2010, 08:02 AM
  #85
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My 16h quarter horse will never, ever, move like a reining horse. You have to understand there is a huge difference in a 14 hand qh and a 16 hand qh. His lope is slower already and all I have done is walk along the trail.
I would NEVER ask him to come to a sliding stop or spin like a reining horse, his legs are to long and he is built to petite; it would not only be to difficult it would be unfair and dangerous.
     
    04-23-2010, 08:03 AM
  #86
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Originally Posted by SorrelHorse    
If you are referring to me, I'd like to offer a point of clarification.

I'm NOT showing anymore because I believe its going to LAME my horses. I already had a filly die, I don't need to deal with that again.
But you think putting sliders on the back and doing those long drawn out slides and spins is not harmful at all? Horses were not built to do that either, that is very unatrual to me.

And no, I was not refering to you in the least.
     
    04-23-2010, 08:22 AM
  #87
Banned
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Originally Posted by trailhorserider    
Horse(s) #5. Hey Western Please folks, this is what normal horses move like! A little high-headed at times perhaps, but they actually look sound and can move! They look like a pleasure to ride! What a concept!
No, they are uncollected and ridden by kids... That may be what normal, uncollected, horses move when they don't have the training... I see a bunch of kids having fun cantering around the arena on their pony's... which is great, but my horse could show like that now... with no training on him...
     
    04-23-2010, 08:24 AM
  #88
Weanling
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Originally Posted by PBritton2U    
Awww...Becky would be so tickled to hear you say that. I'm going to have to forward your message off to her just to put a smile on her face. You have good taste. :)

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Thanks - I am an English rider at heart, but have ridden plenty of all-around horses. However, I grew up a bit spoiled you could say with the WP world. I am from horse country, and grew up competing against Kristen GG since our open show days and when I went QH I routinely saw the horses that Gil Galyean, Troy Compton, Bruce Walquist and later Dave Dellin, Jason Martin, and Charlie Cole turned out on a weekly basis. Yes, I saw the others, but it was normal to see some of the greats at shows all the time. It bothers me to here people bash all western pleasure horses. Yes, some look like they are lame but I also routinely see the other side of things. Give me a nice hunter any day, but I have a ton of respect for a WP horse that is trained to go with his own natural movement.
     
    04-23-2010, 08:30 AM
  #89
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Originally Posted by IllComeALopin    
My 16h quarter horse will never, ever, move like a reining horse. You have to understand there is a huge difference in a 14 hand qh and a 16 hand qh. His lope is slower already and all I have done is walk along the trail.
I would NEVER ask him to come to a sliding stop or spin like a reining horse, his legs are to long and he is built to petite; it would not only be to difficult it would be unfair and dangerous.

I do not think the sliding stop and that was part of the comparison. I think the comparison is the free shoulder movement and the horse not looking crippled. At least that is not how I took it.

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It bothers me to here people bash all western pleasure horses.


I do not think we are bashing ALL western pleasure horses. Just those that look like they are lame. Which seems to be how so many people want them to go.
     
    04-23-2010, 08:45 AM
  #90
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Originally Posted by Alwaysbehind    
I do not think the sliding stop and that was part of the comparison. I think the comparison is the free shoulder movement and the horse not looking crippled. At least that is not how I took it.
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but you cannot compare the way my huge, lanky, 16 + hand quarter horse moves to the way a 14 hand, short, bulldoggy cow horse is going to move... its just impossible.

And it was said they stopped western pleasure becuase it was dangerous, well I'm pretty sure you run many risks (likely more) doing reining at the high speeds doing unnatural spins and stops.

I see it as it comes down to a BIG issue; you need a horse built for the sport.
     

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