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    07-05-2010, 08:42 AM
  #11
Weanling
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Originally Posted by GottaRide    
Sorry everyone...having some difficulty posting from my phone!

The first example that was given showing a headset that someone would consider the standard is actually just a touch higher than level.

I gave an example of my horse's headset, which I would
Consider more ideal than the first example:

The APHA rule book says that a horse should be penalized when the head is carried in a manner which the point of the ears are consistently lower than the withers. I believe the AQHA rule book makes a further stipulation that the point of the ears cannot fall below the withers for more than 5 consecutive stride.
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    07-07-2010, 05:27 PM
  #12
Weanling
Those really are bad examples

Peanut rolling comes from when horses heads were so low they could literally roll peanuts on the ground with their noses. As you can see in those examples, their heads are no where near the ground.
     
    07-07-2010, 05:31 PM
  #13
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Originally Posted by MacabreMikolaj    
Peanut rolling typically means any headset significantly lower then the wither. The standard is supposed to be the poll level with the withers, and much like Dressage where you should be on the vertical, slight deviations are acceptable. The picture posted above is a very dramatic example, probably moreso then was regularly seen in WP showing.

Another example, not quite so dramatic, but still unacceptable nowadays and labelled as "peanut rolling":



Another one I would classify as a peanut roller (not extreme, but a blatant deviation from a level topline):



Here is a good example of the topline you're SUPPOSED to see (or they preach is standard anyway):



If you look up Western Pleasure Horses in Google, it's actually difficult to find many horses with a level topline - they almost all deviate slightly or immensely from the wither to poll line.
That looks like it's a reiner so it will travel a little bit different than a WP horse. The peanut rollers really are not out there anymore. In fact I was at a show over the weekend and over heard some folks talking about a horse that usually is a big winner that was DQ'ed for being too low.
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    07-07-2010, 07:48 PM
  #14
Started
This is as close to a peanut roller I could find, but there are much more extreme cases:

     
    07-07-2010, 08:17 PM
  #15
Trained
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peanut rolling comes from when horses heads were so low they could literally roll peanuts on the ground with their noses. As you can see in those examples, their heads are no where near the ground.
Pfft. My horse puts his head to the ground at a lope sometiems to stretch out his back, and let me tell you, they could not sustain it for any length of time or stay stable moving with the head that low.

Peanut rolling is an exagerated term to refer to horses with super low heads.

In regards to the pictures posted - Gottaride, firstly, lovely horse. However, even this photo shows a horse whose ears are below the height of the wither, as you can see in the photo below. The buckskin that was posted by MM, as you can see, is a touch above where it can be, but not much.

I'm not getting into the ethics or changes or whatever here - Just making it easier for people to see the true carriage.
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    07-07-2010, 08:36 PM
  #16
Yearling
First of all, WildSpot, I completely agree!!

Second of all...here's a little better picture, even though most of the posts here have been plenty low enough to be considered "too low".
     
    07-07-2010, 08:58 PM
  #17
Weanling
Peanut rolling is when the horse carries their head so low that it looks like their pushing a peanut on the ground. It is what western plesure horses do. Some are saying that it looks uncomfortable for the horse and that may be true for some horses but some are bred to naturally keep their head low. I have one horse that is a bred reiner and even out galloping in her pasture, her head is lower than the withers.
     
    07-07-2010, 11:48 PM
  #18
Weanling
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Originally Posted by wild_spot    
Pfft. My horse puts his head to the ground at a lope sometiems to stretch out his back, and let me tell you, they could not sustain it for any length of time or stay stable moving with the head that low.

Peanut rolling is an exagerated term to refer to horses with super low heads.

In regards to the pictures posted - Gottaride, firstly, lovely horse. However, even this photo shows a horse whose ears are below the height of the wither, as you can see in the photo below. The buckskin that was posted by MM, as you can see, is a touch above where it can be, but not much.

I'm not getting into the ethics or changes or whatever here - Just making it easier for people to see the true carriage.
that first hors is in whotsoever no way a peanut roller. His head might just be perfect headset.
     
    07-07-2010, 11:56 PM
  #19
Trained
^ I never said he was a peanut roller.

By the quoted AQHA standards he is not a perfect headset - it is too low. If you want to use the RULE then his head is too low.

And like I said, nothing against the horse, I actually really like him (And the colours!) just making it easier to see.
     
    10-05-2010, 05:41 PM
  #20
Foal
Well, lets go back to where peanut rolling came from
Back in the 70s and early 80s there really were no strong pleasure horse lines, then along came horses like Zippo Pine Bar and Dynamic Deluxe, horses that had a natural level top line, that moved slow legged and flat kneed and they started to win
Then followed the very usual human reaction-if something is good, more is better
Thus heads got lower, beyond the point where a horse can move at his best, and horses without the albilty or training were forced to move slower, esp at the lope, where they could maintain a true three beat lope, thus we then had peanut rollers and four beaters
Western pl got a lot of flack, thus the industry started to clean up it's act. The NSBA was formed, to set new standards for the pleasure horse industry-standards that the major stock horse breeds adopted
The actual rule is that the tip of the ears cannont be below the level of the whithers for more than 5 consecuative strides, or it is a disqualification.
That means horses without steady head sets can still get their head below that level ,and as long as it is not for more than 5 strides, won't be disqualified, although they will be marked down
Now sometimes it comes to a judgement call, as ajudge has to use what is put in front of him.
So, which horse do you penalize more-a horse that has his head just a tad too low, according to NSBA rules, but is a great and steady mover, or a horse unable to rate speed on a loose rein with head up, heavy on the forehand?
I'd pick that horse with the head a tad too low every time over the poor mover with head up, doing laps.
Face is to be on the verticle, or slightly ahead, never behind, as that is considered a seriosu fault.
     

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