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        10-05-2010, 11:34 PM
      #41
    Green Broke
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by corinowalk    
    I know what you mean with the fake tails. They've been so popular...I'm glad I got out of showing before that theme took off.

    I just had to say something....is that Cinny in your avatar?! OMG he looks amazing!
    Yup, that's the Cinners shortly after I bought him. I saw that pic today and had to put it up but I almost fell off my chair because OMG he was SOOO FAT!!!! He looks really nice in the pic and Quarter Typy but it was all fat sadly and it all came off after a month of work. I'll have to get some recent ones of him now that he is black again instead of dark bay :)
         
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        10-05-2010, 11:35 PM
      #42
    Banned
    He looks like such a beefcake there! He always has been a handsome fella. Im a sucker for the dark bay/black QH. He always did remind me of my Nico. Glad to hear you guys are making big progress!
         
        10-05-2010, 11:39 PM
      #43
    Green Broke
    Yes, but he occasionally tries his nose at peanut rolling himself....but I think it's all part of learning about going into the bridle correctly at this point. He does throw out quite a bit of spit balls these days too!
         
        10-05-2010, 11:41 PM
      #44
    Banned
    Ahh but the stretching is goooood! Its the 'someone tied a cinderblock to this horses head' look that makes me sick!
         
        10-05-2010, 11:55 PM
      #45
    Green Broke
    Cinny's neighbor is the beautiful QH. They lady bought him two months ago as she has decided to quite Dressage cold turkey and go WP. Anyway, that horse has had nothing but problems since she brought it into the barn. The first time she rode him he had his nose between his knees and I remember people calling him a peanut roller but I didn't really pay much attention.

    She has spent a few grand now in chiro and vet bills, the horse is on stall rest more than it is not. He's fine turned out, running free and natural. He's fine after lunging. She gets on him, he peanut rolls, he's sore for a week. It's been suggested maybe her saddle doesn't fit but she swears it does even though she bought it to fit her warmblood. But now that I read this thread, I am thinking the peanut rolling is probably what pushes this poor horse over the edge and makes him so sore.
         
        10-05-2010, 11:58 PM
      #46
    Banned
    It is most likely that saddle. I know that western saddles can be easier to fit than english but some people need to take a step back and look. My BO swore that my SQHB bighorn trail saddle fit her 3/4 Percheron mare like a glove. *sigh* some peoples kids! LOL
         
        10-06-2010, 01:11 AM
      #47
    Foal
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by Smilie    
    Here is an example of what I consider a nice western pl horse, with cadence and self carriage
    When awestern pl or HUS horse is collected properly, driving up from behind, the highest point of his top line should be the middle of his back, with the horse rounded from tail to nose
    YouTube - SOLD! Oprah Winnee (One Hot Krymsun x Zips Chocolate Swirl)
    I'm sorry, but that is a terrible moving horse. His front is loping and his back is jogging. He looks like he is twisting with each stride. Western Pleasure should mean pleasure, not that the horse moves like he can't bear to lift his front end. Half of the horses in all of these vids look irritated, and the riders all look bored. Love that App vid though - what nice natural movement!
         
        10-06-2010, 02:10 AM
      #48
    Foal
    Don't know why it is so difficult for people to grasp that every discipline at upper end has gotten tougher, including western pl.
    At open shows you can place and even win , with a horse that has all his gaits , knows his leads and is pretty steady, even if he has no self carriage, unable to rate speed without bit support
    Quality of movement and degree of difficulty don't even come into play
    The ability for a horse to move slow and correct ups the degree e of difficulity.
    I also have seen this video, with the horse being just two at the start of the video
    Sorry, but One Hot Krymsum is an excellent mover great self carriage, recognized by World level judges, and instead of pulling such a horse apart, esp if you own horse is unable to rate speed and self carriage, maybe try and educate yourself as to why horsemen very knowledgeable on correct good movement reward such ahorse
    Yes, he is moving slow legged, flat kneed, which is desired, but he is also moving true. The jog is two beats the lope is three beat.
    The correct footfall for a three beat lope- outside hind leg hitting the ground, inside hind and outside front leg hitting the ground at the same time, last and third beat-lead front leg hitting the ground
    I;m not a one discipline 'pony' I used to show reiners and western riding horses, and even ran games and did working cow horse and cattle events.
    I used to think there was not much to western pl-well maybe true at 4h and open type schooling shows, but once I got serious about western pleasure, I learned just how much natural ability they have, the quaility of movement and the amount of body control and training needed for ahorse to achieve this self carriage
    My western pl horse can gallop across the pasture with the best of them. I also show her HUS and she has won against all breeds, inclusding TBs, Arabians Morgans, and other traditional English type horses, under a judge with a dressage background
    The show ring is an exhibition of degree of difficulty and not what one does riding across the pasture or on atrail ride.
    What purpose is a 30 ft sliding stop, or four spins?-The cow would be long gone
    What it shows is level of ability and training. Western pl is no different.
    At upper end all the horses know their leads, have good transititions, etc. What separates the great ones is the ability to do these gaits without bit support, moving slow but true. MUch easier to do things fast, esp at the lope.
    I mean, I see barrel horses running with chain mouth pieces, spurred around the barrels-is that 'natural? Some even dread entering an arena, as it means pain, thus rear and need to be led in
    Yup,western pl at one point earned the title peanut rollers, but then gymkana also earned the handle of the 'whip and spur class'
    No discipline lives in a glass house
    Unfortunately, western pleasure just happens to have an over abundence of ;bleacher judges'
    Vets are speaking out about the harm the training method of Rollkur is causing in dressage horses
    MUch rather see a relaxed western pl horse doing his job than a horse with his nose flexed back to his chest. I think there were some pics posted somewhere, where dressage horses being over flexed like this actually has purple tongues hanging out
    Lets have some out cry of the bIG Lick in TW, achived through soring and pressure shoing. The horses achieve this exagerated big lick, because their front feet are so painful from soring, that they try and shift their weight onto their rear feet ,and snap those painful front legs as quick and high as possible off of the ground-now that is movement achieved through delibertly inflicting pain on the horse to achieve that action
         
        10-06-2010, 02:53 AM
      #49
    Foal
    I don't think that WP is easy, nor do I think the rider's are unskilled. I used to show WP, and plan to show in WP with my new guy this spring. This isn't a debate about whether the movement is cruel or that headset is unnatural etc. It is about that particular example NOT showing a nice easy lope. It shows a horse that is jogging in the back and loping in the front. He isn't rounded up, nor is he driving from behind. He may be moving on a loose rein, but he still looks jerky and uncomfortable.

    That appaloosa has far better movement, much more natural and relaxed. It's still slow, but he is driving from behind and he looks comfortable. If I was judging those two horses in one class, that app wins it hands down. Your example shows a horse that has to heave his front end up to accomplish the loping stride - he looks like he's lame!

    If making my horse lope so slowly that he looks pained and unnatural is what "skill" is, then I suppose I'm not very skilled. But I guarantee my horse is happier and my rides are way more fun than those horses. Nothing in the showring is really very practical, but I don't think it should look as boring and painful as that horse or the first WP class video.
         
        10-06-2010, 07:41 AM
      #50
    Banned
    I miss where anyone said anywhere that WP is easy. It is never easy to be good at your sport. Period.

    Smrobs, love that appy. Nice to see real gaits.
         

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