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post #1 of 14 Old 12-10-2013, 02:35 AM Thread Starter
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Potentially really dumb question here.

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What's the difference between western pleasure and just riding in a western saddle?

I've ridden western nearly my entire life. I've dabble in English, but it's been 99.9% western.

However, I never really showed western. I did 4H western for 2 years but I wouldn't call what I was doing WP...I more or less just sat there and let my horse do all the work. I used an arab for this. I doubt Sonny's ever seen the inside of a show ring or participated in a competition that wasn't speed related.

Oh well.

I'm asking because we recently got a WP gelding and come Spring, my mother has instructed me to figure out if he'd be a good fit for my 12 year old sister.

So. I would like to know if there's a difference or if he'll handle much different than my horse.

Both are QH's and I obviously ride western on my horse, but my horse is a speed horse so the disciplines are drastically different - or so I would assume. But I still take my horse out on the trails and he walks just fine so he's not all speed all the time.

If someone could explain the difference (if any) between recreational western riding and western pleasure that'd be marvelous.

I just want to know what to expect and what cues he may know that my barrel horse wouldn't.

For those that are curious, we plan to use him as a trail horse and my sister would be doing some 4H shows with him.
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post #2 of 14 Old 12-10-2013, 07:05 AM
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Have you looked at any of the you tubes on WP ? I would do that first. Personally, I like a horse that really moves at the walk.
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This biggest issue you might come across is if he's spur trained, otherwise known as "spur-stop". Some big time pleasure horses are trained to slow down or stop if both spurs are put on, and they usually "bump" with their legs to go forward. The good ones are also really sensitive to bit pressure. They also are built to go slow, verrry slow. And they also have a very low headset. You might want to make sure that's really what she wants because it's hard to turn them into speed horses if she changes her mind.

But that's just if the horse is a professionally trained, breed-showing WP horse. If it's just someone's open show, backyard "WP trained" horse, it will probably just be the same as any western horse, maybe with a little more control. (No offense, my horses are trained in my backyard too, haha)
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post #4 of 14 Old 12-10-2013, 01:33 PM Thread Starter
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Originally Posted by oh vair oh View Post

But that's just if the horse is a professionally trained, breed-showing WP horse. If it's just someone's open show, backyard "WP trained" horse, it will probably just be the same as any western horse, maybe with a little more control. (No offense, my horses are trained in my backyard too, haha)
From what I understand, this horse is professionally trained. He's a rescue so we're a little foggy on it, but from what I've been told he was bred WP. His registered name is Got Gucci...know anything about the Gucci line?

But again, that's all hear-say. We tracked down his breeder but she never responded to our contact attempts.

So. What I got is that he's going to (IF he's trained as they say) move very slow, probably keep his head down/level and be sensitive to the bit. With the potential to respond to spurs.
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post #5 of 14 Old 12-10-2013, 03:12 PM
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Also cues are very subtle for them, and usually very responsive to pressure through reins, bit or spur and seat too.

Have you googled his registered name to see if you can find a record of him being shown?

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I have tried googling him and have come up with a bunch of Gucci bags lol.
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I've seen some really nice Gucci bred horses, Gucci Only being one of the many show-producing sires, currently. The ones I'm most familiar with seem to excel in hunter under saddle, and do decently in western pleasure events. Do you have your horse's papers on hand - I'd be interested in knowing the actual sire & dam. Pics?

As the others have stated, your horse may be very sensitive to cues and potentially be spur trained. Or it may have the same, basic buttons as your existing horse. If it was a show horse, it may not have trail riding experience. Trial and error is really your best bet to figure everything out, IMO.
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This is his pedigree. It says his sire is Gucci Only and his dam is Hazards Moores Code.
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Here are some pictures of him. I have other threads on him, but I'll post them here for easy access.

Please keep in mind when viewing these pictures that he is a rescue horse. He came from a neglect situation where they were not feeding him so he is on the thin side.

These were taken within the first couple days of us having him. It is estimated he had not been fed for six months.

This first one is him the day we picked him up at his old home. He had not been loaded yet.

The rest are once we moved him to our property.

If you will excuse the fact that he had literally just stood up from rolling in the mud, this is what he looked like two weeks ago when I was home.

Sorry for the picture overload. Hopefully they're enough.

***Sidenote: his registration says stallion, but he has since been gelded.
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A WP bred horse means just that. It was bred to do WP. Whether or not the horse was trained for it would be anyone's guess until you try riding him. I don't have any experience with WP horses but will agree that their cues are different. A WP horse will have very subtle cues. They are rode more with the seat. Leg cues can mean more to them, such as keep the head down, stop and possibly more.

A horse rode western for pleasure may have the same training but not near as refined. They usually have more of just the basic cues trained. Turn, stop, go, yielding front and rear end and maybe side passing. It just depends on how much training they actually get.

Look at it this way. A WP horse is like a Ferrari and a pleasure horse rode western is like a normal car (Chevy, Dodge, Ford, Toyota, etc.) Both can be drove/rode but the normal car won't handle anything like a sports car. The sports car will be more precise and responsive. Same with the WP horse if it was trained for it.

Can you trail ride with a WP horse? Sure but don't expect to do well in WP with a western rode pleasure horse.
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