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        07-12-2010, 11:51 PM
      #91
    Foal
    See, here's the thing, none of you have explained WHY they're so "old-schooled." You've just said they were and then been like, "Nope, nope, you're wrong, nope, nope, you're wrong." You see why that pisses me off?
         
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        07-12-2010, 11:53 PM
      #92
    Yearling
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    Originally Posted by SavvyHill    
    You know what? I wasn't even arguing until everyone started attacking me. You have given me NO supporting reasons WHY spur cues are "in the dark ages". Perhaps collect a couple of your brain cells and explain to me what's so "old-fashioned" about spur cues.

    You see? I can be a nasty witch with a capital B too.
    No one has attacked you Savvy? You've been arguing with everyone trying fruitlessly to prove them wrong. If you took the time to read each post, you'd realise that everyone has provided some really valid points. You don't have to listen to what we say, or even believe it, but there's no need to blatantly attack people.

    So here I go, I've pulled together a few of my brain cells and this is why spur cues are old fashioned. Horse riding is a fast moving discipline with a lot of money. More and more today, people are looking for versatile horses that give you bang for your buck. A spur trained WP horse would not make it as an english horse simply because it clashes with every other training method. To me a spur stop is practically the same as pulling on the reins, because honestly most people don't know how to perform it and it leaves the horses crabby. I don't know how things work in your western area, but spur stops here are a thing of the past. I'm purchasing a very successful WP mare, who is also a great jumper and honestly if she was spur trained she wouldn't be the jumper she is today. I might just have to get a video of her when I get her and then you might be able to put together all of those smarts you have and catch up with the rest of the WP industry.
         
        07-12-2010, 11:56 PM
      #93
    Foal
    You have a valid point, but I know several horses who are spur trained and can also jump, do English Pleasure, and dressage. They do trail, they do reining. These horses can be versatile if you guys would open your eyes and look. And I've honestly never met a crabby spur stop horse. I understand that they probably don't like spurs in their sides, but I doubt they like having a bit in their mouths either.
         
        07-13-2010, 12:00 AM
      #94
    Started
    I think I'm going to ignore this thread from now on, because no one is getting ANYWHERE.

    But I'll leave you with MY OPINION:
    WP will be left behind if they keep to their little bubble of unique-to-the-discipline-training. The more ADVANCED riders do not NEED spur stops. Sorelhorse doesn't need them, she said that she has other ways of stopping her horse. So use the other ways, in ADDITION to the spur stops. I am not AGAINST spur stops, but I don't think horses or riders should be stuck in the spur stop rut.

    Good night & Good luck.
    <3
         
        07-13-2010, 12:03 AM
      #95
    Foal
    Not a SINGLE one.
         
        07-13-2010, 12:06 AM
      #96
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SavvyHill    
    You have a valid point, but I know several horses who are spur trained and can also jump, do English Pleasure, and dressage. They do trail, they do reining. These horses can be versatile if you guys would open your eyes and look. And I've honestly never met a crabby spur stop horse. I understand that they probably don't like spurs in their sides, but I doubt they like having a bit in their mouths either.
    I highly doubt that Savvy, I really do. And saying you've never met a crabby spur stop horse? Seriously, at the start of this thread you said you've only been in WP for one year. Its no wonder why can't grasp that fact.

    I think you're the one who needs to open your eyes. I'm trying to be polite here, and keep this civil, but spur trained WP horses have no place in any other discipline. No english rider could hop on a spur trained WP horse and get it to perform. Heck, my friend who is a dressage rider rode my old spur trained paint and for the life of her could not get any cues right. I've seen cutting horses do dressage, I've seen endurance horses do hacking, but WP horses do not fit in with any other part of the industry.

    You're young, I understand that and you're trying to support the methods you've been taught, but that doesn't always mean its right. I think that right now instead of addressing the issue, you're personally attacking people because you can't come up with any more vaild points.
         
        07-13-2010, 12:07 AM
      #97
    Foal
    No, not at all. I've told you. I never said I didn't go to shows, I just haven't competed yet. And I've never seen a crabby spur-trained horse. I promise you.
         
        07-13-2010, 12:13 AM
      #98
    Yearling
    Savvy, I give up. I'm not going to waste my time on some tween who's so blatantly denying the truth. Enjoy the dark ages!
         
        07-13-2010, 12:18 AM
      #99
    Foal
    Tween? 'Scuze you. I'm old enough to make my own decisions. We each have a difference of opinion, you're sitting there trying to prove something to me that I DON'T AGREE WITH, and then you get all huffy. Whatever. You're making yourself look rather moronic.
         
        07-13-2010, 12:24 AM
      #100
    Yearling
    Quote:
    Originally Posted by SavvyHill    
    Tween? 'Scuze you. I'm old enough to make my own decisions. We each have a difference of opinion, you're sitting there trying to prove something to me that I DON'T AGREE WITH, and then you get all huffy. Whatever. You're making yourself look rather moronic.
    Why yes, Savvy, I do believe that's the funniest thing I've read all day I'm quite the huffy one aren't I? I mean I've pretty much gone and attacked everyone on this thread, instead of the points brought up. And you know what, I'm pretty moronic as well considering I know absolutely nothing about this industry and its not like I compete or anything.

    Savvy, whether you want to acknowledge it or not, spur stops are a thing of the past. They're giving WP a bad name and taking it back to the dark ages. I've stated this point many times, but you don't seem to care. Now if you're so adamant that spur stops are great, spur stops are good, why don't you tell me about them? Why don't you tell why you luff spur stops? Why don't you tell me about the pretty little plodder you ride at lessons who spur stops?

    I may be rude and outright, but at least I know what I'm talking about.
         

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