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post #101 of 119 Old 07-13-2010, 12:35 AM
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You know what? I wasn't even arguing until everyone started attacking me. You have given me NO supporting reasons WHY spur cues are "in the dark ages". Perhaps collect a couple of your brain cells and explain to me what's so "old-fashioned" about spur cues.

You see? I can be a nasty witch with a capital B too.
haha. and all of this is true. no one has given really a good example

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post #102 of 119 Old 07-13-2010, 12:37 AM
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No one has attacked you Savvy? You've been arguing with everyone trying fruitlessly to prove them wrong. If you took the time to read each post, you'd realise that everyone has provided some really valid points. You don't have to listen to what we say, or even believe it, but there's no need to blatantly attack people.

So here I go, I've pulled together a few of my brain cells and this is why spur cues are old fashioned. Horse riding is a fast moving discipline with a lot of money. More and more today, people are looking for versatile horses that give you bang for your buck. A spur trained WP horse would not make it as an english horse simply because it clashes with every other training method. To me a spur stop is practically the same as pulling on the reins, because honestly most people don't know how to perform it and it leaves the horses crabby. I don't know how things work in your western area, but spur stops here are a thing of the past. I'm purchasing a very successful WP mare, who is also a great jumper and honestly if she was spur trained she wouldn't be the jumper she is today. I might just have to get a video of her when I get her and then you might be able to put together all of those smarts you have and catch up with the rest of the WP industry.
my horse is spur stopped. does well in english pleasure, jumping, dressage. he can do EVERYTHING a non-spur stop can do just as well as any other horse.
therefor, that point is no longer valid.

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my horse is spur stopped. does well in english pleasure, jumping, dressage. he can do EVERYTHING a non-spur stop can do just as well as any other horse.
therefor, that point is no longer valid.
Sorel, your a WP rider. Theres's a difference. You understand the mechanics of spur training and know what cues to give, but if you say sold your horse to someone saying he could do english and this was an english rider, she wouldn't understand the spur stop.

I'm finding you guys a bit condescending. I've ridden and competing western and english for all my life and I can totally compare each sides. A little bit of respect for other forum members would go a long way, but I guess thats what the younger generation is like.
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The fact that anyone is still arguing on here is mind boggling. I admit when I first came to this thread I was hopeful to see the issue of spur stops happily discussed and maybe even come to the conclusion that they are quickly becoming a thing of the past. Mayfield and a few others have given valid reasons spur stops are not popular in many disciplines and have proven their point beautifully (others truly do seem to come across in a very snarky manner, remember that no one can tell your true tone on the Internet).

At this point though, being a rational human being I see that in this situation it truly is a case of personal opinion on training a successful horse. No use throwing around heated words anymore, am I right? Can no one agree to disagree? After so many pages I thought this was actually going to die out almost quietly...oh well.
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The fact that anyone is still arguing on here is mind boggling. I admit when I first came to this thread I was hopeful to see the issue of spur stops happily discussed and maybe even come to the conclusion that they are quickly becoming a thing of the past. Mayfield and a few others have given valid reasons spur stops are not popular in many disciplines and have proven their point beautifully (others truly do seem to come across in a very snarky manner, remember that no one can tell your true tone on the Internet).

At this point though, being a rational human being I see that in this situation it truly is a case of personal opinion on training a successful horse. No use throwing around heated words anymore, am I right? Can no one agree to disagree? After so many pages I thought this was actually going to die out almost quietly...oh well.
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You haven't been offensive to me, no worries.

I was more commenting on the fact that while savvy and I hadn't totally agreed that spur stops are amazing and everyone should try them we had gotten to a point where this subject felt beaten to death and obviously she wasn't changing her mind. Which is totally fine! Everyone is entitled to do what they like, and certainly with respects to their own horse/future horse. I thought bringing the thread back to the original topic but I guess people still needed to try to drill they're ideals into savvy and sorel.

Agreeing to disagree seems the most reasonable for this thread.
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That's why I stopped posting. After a certain amount of arguing, I just wanted to kick a bunch of people and I thought it best if I stopped because I really like this forum.

And just so you know, just because ANY of you don't agree with me on spur stops doesn't mean I don't respect you. I tried saying earlier that it was a difference of opinion and everyone was jumping down my throat about it.

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For christs sake. There really wasn't any jumping down throats going on. It was/is a debate - That's how debates go. I certainly wasn't angry or bothered by this thread, in fact I didn't even think about it once I got off the computer.

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I don't know where to start!

I guess I'll sum up because a lot went on here (Man, does working for a living suck. lol) and I'm not going to be picking apart everything.

Some people need to learn how to become less immature. No names.

We have repeatedly, again and again, said why it is archaic, old fashioned, etc.--just because you don't wish to remember those posts doesn't prove your point. No one who has argued for spur stops has taken any of my points and countered them. On a logical standpoint... that kind of means you lose.

The video is absolutely hilarious. Did you know that the horse's NAME is 'Just Plain Spur?' The horse isn't trained with a spur stop. Sorry! lol! The trainer was showing the horse's stop is all. Show me someone competing at the WEG or International competitions winning everything that spur stops and all be convinced--and they take so many photos of the horses stopping that it 'shouldn't be hard'.

No one is saying that spur stopped horses are incapable of jumping or dressage or whatnot. What we are saying is that if the horse is sold (and considering that's a very real thing that happens OFTEN in the horse world)--that horse can be VERY VERY unsafe to hundreds of amateur riders. Not everyone is a pro-rider. And almost everyone who isn't a trainer gets on a horse and goes, 'omg i don't know about this one!'. And when they hug with their legs (because it is an instinctive habit for people when they get scared) and the spur hugs the horse, that horse will fling that rider into the dirt. He's just doing what he's been taught--and hundreds of trainers will tell you a spur stop is terrible to try to 'train out'.

THIS is why it is so unmarketable to any discipline other then WP. And for all of you who say, 'it doesn't matter I'll never sell my horse', my questions to you are 1) Do you have a SECURE job that in this economy will NEVER go away and pay for all aspects of the horse? Horses are expensive--and if you lose a good job, let me tell you how fast you'll sell a horse so you and your kids are not out on the street. 2)If you don't pay for the horse, how can your parents guarantee that nothing ill will ever happen to someone? That they'll never lose their job?

Every other discipline uses spur to mean 'forward impulsion'. Other associations roll at the backwardness of wp. Its like teaching a horse to go by pulling back on the reins (ever trained and OTTB? They're kind of like that--not fun!).

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No one is saying that spur stopped horses are incapable of jumping or dressage or whatnot. What we are saying is that if the horse is sold (and considering that's a very real thing that happens OFTEN in the horse world)--that horse can be VERY VERY unsafe to hundreds of amateur riders. Not everyone is a pro-rider. And almost everyone who isn't a trainer gets on a horse and goes, 'omg i don't know about this one!'. And when they hug with their legs (because it is an instinctive habit for people when they get scared) and the spur hugs the horse, that horse will fling that rider into the dirt. He's just doing what he's been taught--and hundreds of trainers will tell you a spur stop is terrible to try to 'train out'.
Ummm, do you get the concept of spur STOP? a new rider gets on him and squeezes with spurs, the horse is going to STOP and maybe thats safer for beginner riders.. And ive always been taught your never going to find a perfect horse, and that you YOURSELF have to learn to ride the horse, not the horse has to learn to your own preferences right when you get on. it makes you a better rider to learn spur and no spur stop.

THIS is why it is so unmarketable to any discipline other then WP. And for all of you who say, 'it doesn't matter I'll never sell my horse', my questions to you are 1) Do you have a SECURE job that in this economy will NEVER go away and pay for all aspects of the horse? Horses are expensive--and if you lose a good job, let me tell you how fast you'll sell a horse so you and your kids are not out on the street. 2)If you don't pay for the horse, how can your parents guarantee that nothing ill will ever happen to someone? That they'll never lose their job?

Ok, so maybe spur stops are "unmarketable" to disciplines other than wp-yet a horse can easily be trained out of it. as ive repeatedly told you before, a spur stop is not just spur, but its a combination of voice, leg and seat, thefore meaning you can skip the spurs and the horse will stop with just seat and voice. Now you may ask "what if the horse is trotting and you use your spurs and it stops?" well, once again, the COMBINATION thing comes to play. just spur doesnt mean stop. so unless you are trotting and say "whoa" ad you sit back AND use your spur, its not going to happen. And back to the 'unmarketable part-most of these wp horses do dressage, english trail, blah blah blah, but its their own little world of this-they dont specialize in dressage, or jumping, whatever-its all for allaround, therfor saying that these horses arent going to be sold to grand pre jumper after they retire wp, so spur stops dont matter.

And to your questions-they mean absolutely nothing-no body can answer those questions. its pretty much just like what if...what if that happens to you? what if the only person who wants to buy your horse is a wp lover and wants it to have a spur stop? those questions are bad and unanswerable.

The video is absolutely hilarious. Did you know that the horse's NAME is 'Just Plain Spur?' The horse isn't trained with a spur stop. Sorry! lol! The trainer was showing the horse's stop is all. Show me someone competing at the WEG or International competitions winning everything that spur stops and all be convinced--and they take so many photos of the horses stopping that it 'shouldn't be hard'.

hmmmm and why is his name just PLAIN spur? i wonder why.....maybe because thats all it takes to stopp him. and you can see the rider using a spur stop.

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