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  • Woman spurs her man like a horse

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    06-29-2010, 10:15 PM
  #11
Foal
Why, thank you!
     
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    06-29-2010, 10:23 PM
  #12
Trained
When I showed WP (Before a very bad experience with one of my heart horses) I trained all my horses spur cues. But I only had WP as my primary sport for about two months, then I couldn't take it anymore. I just had to do something faster than slowly lope in a circle when I knew I wasn't going to win anything (This was during the worst of "Nose in the dirt" and "Peanut rollers") because my horses all had their heads up and moved out, but still in the right gaits if that makes sense.

Don't get me wrong, if WP is done right it is a beautiful thing and I love watching, but for the love of god some of these people I just want to kill. I actually went to a WP ranch about a month after I stopped showing, and this woman had a martingale on her horse....if you can call it a "Martingale." It was more like a piece of cheap leather attached to a breastcollar, holding the horses head so far down and its neck roached.....WP at it's worst.

Not saying all WP barns are like that, I'm just warning you that some of these people are completely bonkers. I found more nutcases int his sport tan in any other....however, when you find the good people they can be your best friends.

Sorry for the novel.....I just have a lot of things to talk about on this subject.....both good and bad ^^

Oh, and if the horse you get isn't trained in the spur cues, find a cheap trainer in your area and ask if there is anything you can do to work off the training. I've done that a lot.....My trainer doesn't train WP so I had to send my one and only WP horse to a differant barn, and I worked off all $700 (Per 30 days) while my horse was in training. Cleaning tack, saddling and excersizing horses, scheduling farrier visits, cleaning stalls, getting hoRses from point A to point B, and basically everything else. ^^

Good luck by the way....WP can be a total blast if you do it right and don't fall into the cult of nutcases and extremists who spend deep hours of the night plotting to take out competition....And you don't need to ask me how I know people do that. I lived with one for a whole summer. Haha
     
    06-29-2010, 10:28 PM
  #13
Foal
Speaking of working off training, my trainer and I work that out, so I s'pose training wouldn't be such a problem. But still, starting from scratch, ya' know? And luckily, my trainer isn't a nutjob, she's just a no-BS type rider. I mean really, she's really strict with her horses and her horses are as sounds as you can ask for.
     
    06-30-2010, 07:56 AM
  #14
Yearling
Man, I hate getting into these posts, but are you aware that the AQHA and APHA do NOT condone spur trained (most specifically the spur-stop) horses? Along with peanut rollers, too-slow, and four beaters... it is one of the things they are trying to get OUT of the show ring.
     
    06-30-2010, 12:13 PM
  #15
Weanling
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Originally Posted by mayfieldk    
Man, I hate getting into these posts, but are you aware that the AQHA and APHA do NOT condone spur trained (most specifically the spur-stop) horses? Along with peanut rollers, too-slow, and four beaters... it is one of the things they are trying to get OUT of the show ring.
mmm...im pretty sure if you don't have a spur stop you don't win. Atleast in the pattern classes and stuff.
The 4beaters and peanut rolers have already left. Occasionally youll see one but they don't win.
     
    06-30-2010, 04:45 PM
  #16
Yearling
Need I find the video AQHA put out specifically noting that SPUR STOPS need to go?

You do know there are other, more refined ways of stopping a horse without your reins, right? It's called your seat. Pattern horses aren't trained off of spurs, they're trained off of your seat.

Not to mention there are plenty of ugly-moving horses out there still winning very big classes. 4-beaters are not gone, not even at the world level. Sorry.
     
    06-30-2010, 06:43 PM
  #17
Yearling
Riding the new Lope, Advice from Cleve Wells

Theres a link to AQHA commenting on the things they want OUT of the ring and why. Mayfield maybe this is the same thing you are talking about.

Coming from reining I can assure you using your seat and weight to stop is really hard to see in the show ring and have we all forgotten that powerful word "woah"? We had horses stop on a dime when hearing anything that rhymed with it.
     
    06-30-2010, 08:29 PM
  #18
Foal
As far as that goes...

My trainer has been to Paint World several times and still does spur stops. Her horses are championship-winners and no one has ever said anything to her about spur stops. I s'pose if winning horses weren't doing them anymore she wouldn't, so I don't know.
     
    07-01-2010, 03:00 AM
  #19
Weanling
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Originally Posted by mayfieldk    
Need I find the video AQHA put out specifically noting that SPUR STOPS need to go?

You do know there are other, more refined ways of stopping a horse without your reins, right? It's called your seat. Pattern horses aren't trained off of spurs, they're trained off of your seat.

Not to mention there are plenty of ugly-moving horses out there still winning very big classes. 4-beaters are not gone, not even at the world level. Sorry.
I don't think a video is going to change the showing industry world wide. Spur stops are the fashion, and that's what is winning, so that's whats being shown. A seat helps, but it can't get you a perfect stop. And the winners of worlds do not 4 beat. They wouldnt win if they did.
     
    07-01-2010, 01:46 PM
  #20
Yearling
Of course it's not going to change the industry instantly. But by saying 'it's the fashion', you acknowledge that it's wrong, and that you don't care. You know blocking tails is still a fashion, right? Does that make it ok? Just because everyone--including major world show trainers--does it? Do you see how your logic is incredibly faulty?

Just because someone rides a horse and wins while doing something questionable, doesn't mean that it negates the questionable practice. AQHA trainers used to win world shows by letting the blood out of a horse's system so that they were tired and anemic--and slow. They used to win by drugging. They used to win by making the horse's so thin you could count seven ribs while at the World Show. The fact that they won DOESN'T MATTER. They STILL did something wrong.

A seat CAN get you a perfect stop, on a well trained horse, every time. The problem with this is that it's a lot harder, because you have to be a much better rider. When trainers train horses, they are not usually training them for good riders--they're training them for ammys and youth riders. And the majority of the time, those people don't have the body control to do a controlled stop with their seat. But you know what they CAN do, and almost any W/t/c rider can do? Hold in their spurs. THIS is why its still so big--it allows bad riders to look like good ones, and therefore allow bad riders to win equitation class. My horse stops on a dime, instantly, with my seat and 'whoa'. And he doesn't look crabby when he does it.

And no one ever said 4-beaters were winning the world show--I said they were still showing at that level. I believe that was in response to you saying that all the 4-beaters are gone, and they're not.

There are problems in every discipline. It is our job, for the horse's sake, to question these problems and do right by the horse.
     

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