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  • Cues for spur stop horses
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    07-02-2010, 12:06 AM
  #31
Trained
Fair enough, and all power to you. I still wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. What if the horse confuses a heel with no spur and you ask for more impulsion before a jump - I wouldn't really like to go sailing over my horses head into the jump because he stopped.

Is there a certain amount of time the spur has to be pressed for a stop? Like, One second - no stop, 5 second - Stop? How is the horse expected to distinguish? There are certainly times when I need to use both spurs at once.
     
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    07-02-2010, 12:14 AM
  #32
Foal
If you're asking for impulsion, it should be a quick tap. WP riders don't kick their horses extremely hard; the horses are sensitive enough to pick up with slight of rein and a few taps. So when spur stopping, it's a constant pressure in the side and that's how the horse knows to stop. And, as far as asking the horse to put its head down with spurs goes, the only horses I know who do that have the rider roll their spurs, so there shouldn't be any confusion there, too.
     
    07-02-2010, 12:19 AM
  #33
Trained
I don't kick my horses hard either - That's why I often have a constant supporting pressure with my leg leading up to a jump.

I'm sure spur cues work really well in the WP arena - That's not the issue I have. The issue I have is that they are not practical and generally counter-productive outside of the WP world.
     
    07-02-2010, 12:23 AM
  #34
Foal
I also think it's not just the spurs they're responding to. I think, also they can feel the tightening of muscles throughout the lower-body when a rider squeezes for long enough, and they respond to that pressure also.
     
    07-02-2010, 12:28 AM
  #35
Weanling
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Originally Posted by wild_spot    
Fair enough, and all power to you. I still wouldn't touch one with a ten foot pole. What if the horse confuses a heel with no spur and you ask for more impulsion before a jump - I wouldn't really like to go sailing over my horses head into the jump because he stopped.

Is there a certain amount of time the spur has to be pressed for a stop? Like, One second - no stop, 5 second - Stop? How is the horse expected to distinguish? There are certainly times when I need to use both spurs at once.
theres different signals for each. A spur stop we hold pressure and also say woa. More impulsion is just little taps, and a back is constant pressure while kissing.
     
    07-02-2010, 12:29 AM
  #36
Weanling
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Originally Posted by wild_spot    
I don't kick my horses hard either - That's why I often have a constant supporting pressure with my leg leading up to a jump.

I'm sure spur cues work really well in the WP arena - That's not the issue I have. The issue I have is that they are not practical and generally counter-productive outside of the WP world.
ya. Its pretty much just useful in the wp world. But still, a horse with a spur stop can do anything as one without.
     
    07-02-2010, 12:33 AM
  #37
Yearling
I've ridden spur trained WP horses and although it worked, I completely agree with what WS is saying. I think that although it works in WP, it most definitely wouldn't work in other environments. All horses should be trained to stop with your seat, because we all want better communication. My WP lesson horse could lope off just from your seat bones and your weight and come back down to jog just as easily. I love WP, but spur training can go very wrong with a beginner trainer and a green horse and I believe that's one of the reasons the AQHA wants to eradicate it.
     
    07-02-2010, 12:38 AM
  #38
Trained
^ Exactly. Bundy can canter from wak with a flex of my butt cheek, and back to a stop with a tightening of my butt and thighs.
     
    07-02-2010, 06:56 AM
  #39
Yearling
(Wild Spot, I was waiting for you to come in!! :) )

Was is Bob Avila who said, "The only thing I can do on a horse with a spur stop is Western pleasure."

You are riding with the emergency brake on.

It's not illegal like tail blocking, but the associations still have it carded in the same group as head below the vertical, four beaters, and horses who are over-canted. What, do you think you know better then the association? They are telling you to RIDE BETTER. Use your seat. And instead your response is, 'It's not illegal, everyone does it like this. Lalalala.' No, they don't. How do you think reiners stop? NOT WITH A SPUR STOP!

I also understand that your horses are PHYSICALLY CAPABLE of doing everything my horse can, but the difference is, my horse is more marketable. He can do dressage or jumping with ANY rider because his cues are not only universal, they make sense. Your horse can only do these things if he has spurs on--and with your special cues.

My major problem with spur stops, however, is crabby horses. They are poked and prodded at all day. I've never seen one who wasn't a constant tail-swisher in response to a spur, or had a crabby-face on all day.

Why don't you post a video of your horse being ridden in a pattern and we'll see if he's crabby or not?
     
    07-02-2010, 01:51 PM
  #40
Weanling
Quote:
Originally Posted by mayfieldk    
(Wild Spot, I was waiting for you to come in!! :) )

Was is Bob Avila who said, "The only thing I can do on a horse with a spur stop is Western pleasure."

You are riding with the emergency brake on.

It's not illegal like tail blocking, but the associations still have it carded in the same group as head below the vertical, four beaters, and horses who are over-canted. What, do you think you know better then the association? They are telling you to RIDE BETTER. Use your seat. And instead your response is, 'It's not illegal, everyone does it like this. Lalalala.' No, they don't. How do you think reiners stop? NOT WITH A SPUR STOP!

I also understand that your horses are PHYSICALLY CAPABLE of doing everything my horse can, but the difference is, my horse is more marketable. He can do dressage or jumping with ANY rider because his cues are not only universal, they make sense. Your horse can only do these things if he has spurs on--and with your special cues.

My major problem with spur stops, however, is crabby horses. They are poked and prodded at all day. I've never seen one who wasn't a constant tail-swisher in response to a spur, or had a crabby-face on all day.

Why don't you post a video of your horse being ridden in a pattern and we'll see if he's crabby or not?
ok il post a video. Might take a few days though.
Fyi-spur stops are just an extra. I can make my horse stop, back and slow without spurs. Its not like he's only trained to spurs.
     

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