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post #41 of 119 Old 07-02-2010, 12:55 PM Thread Starter
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The way I see it, spur stops and regular stops are just a preference, like direct reining and neck-reining.

If you're not practicing, someone, somewhere is, and when you meet him, he will win.
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post #42 of 119 Old 07-02-2010, 09:35 PM
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I'm sure he can, and he does it well. The problem becomes when you sell him, and the adult ammy is coming up to a fence and forgets, and spurs him--and he stops and the AMMY jumps the fence alone. This is why the associations want it out--they want to prove to the rest of the horse world that they're moving forward too. We get enough critisisim from the English world for our backwards thinking--this is another thing that has to go.

And I know you think it's preference, but why are you avoiding the fact the association has labeled it BY NAME and says that it needs to go?

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post #43 of 119 Old 07-03-2010, 01:44 PM
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I can ride any of my WP horses without spurs. Heck, if I wanted to I could probably take the bridle off ANY of the horses I train because they work so well (and happily!) off of seat/leg cues.

IMO spur training is sort of the easy way out.

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post #44 of 119 Old 07-03-2010, 04:19 PM
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Regarding other cues, I do cue my horse to slow and **collect off of spurs** as well as turn, bend, etc.
This is something I don't understand... when a horse is Collected is ab muscles are relaxed. But how can a horse relax his abs if he has spurs poking them? From what I have seen of horses 'collecting off the spur' the horses abs are extremely tight and he is using them to lift his spine(resulting in an extremely arched back, and when the horse trots its back bounces up and down with the riders weight). Usually with an awkwordly low headset.
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post #45 of 119 Old 07-03-2010, 07:10 PM
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The term "collection" is used much too lightly in WP. Don't get me wrong, I love WP, but WP collection is not "true".

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post #46 of 119 Old 07-07-2010, 05:31 PM
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A spur stop trained horse is trained to move forward, backward, and laterally off of your seat cues as well as your legs. They distinguish cues from your calves, spurs, seat and hands down to a fine art. A slight shift of your weight with slight leg pressure might mean leg yield, but when a light rein lift is added it can change to mean haunch turn. It's just a different way of riding. It's actually quite fun to ride an animal so finely tuned. ...and yes they can do all the normal stuff too. My mare knows when it's time to play around and jump or go on trails.

SavvyHill- on a seperate note, I have a nice finished show mare for sale in Oregon if you're at all interested. I'd also be hapy to answer any further questions about spur training if you have them :]
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Thank you for the offer, Miami, but right now I'm looking for a horse registered with APHA.

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[quoteAnd I know you think it's preference, but why are you avoiding the fact the association has labeled it BY NAME and says that it needs to go?][/quote]

Ah... Avoiding the question I see.

This is the reason why it takes so long for any discipline to move forward. People put their fingers in their ears! 'La la la la la!'

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[quoteAnd I know you think it's preference, but why are you avoiding the fact the association has labeled it BY NAME and says that it needs to go?]
Ah... Avoiding the question I see.

This is the reason why it takes so long for any discipline to move forward. People put their fingers in their ears! 'La la la la la!'[/QUOTE]

Honestly, I could care less weather they say its bad, its what wins so if you have a problem go talk to the hundreds of judges and trainers who like it.

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post #50 of 119 Old 07-09-2010, 01:43 AM
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^ That is the exact same thinking that has created the Hypp issue we have today.

It is also the same thinking that ensures NOTHING will ever progress.

If my association had told me NOT to do something, whether it was pinning or not, I would quit it. Especially when it isn't the ONLY way or the ONLY way that wins. Not every horse out there winning is spur cue trained.
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