The lack of logic on this board makes my head hurt. "I really don't understand why it's such a bad thing. You didn't answer my question, either. I don't have an answer. Hell, I'm not even on the show circuit yet. And tail-blocking is FAR more dangerous than spur cues are because infections and muscle deteriorations occur, rather than the occasional "crabby horse", and as far as THAT goes, that is not true. The horses I've seen that are spur cued are far from crabby, and in fact are about as quiet as any horse I've ever ridden."
One--yes i did answer your question, and in the first sentence. Please read for comprehension.
Two--if you are not even showing yet, then why do you think your opinion is better thought-out then the associations'? Or even your trainer's, for that matter? The AQHA and APHA KNOW
that there are a lot of horses trained with spur stops/spur riding. And they still decided to put out a video and listed it, by name and with example, as something that needs to go...even though they knew a lot of people would have to change the way they rode. That's what they want.
I was never comparing the risks of tail blocking to spur stops. I was comparing the fact that almost every trainer worth his salt blocked tails--and I know for a fact several world show trainers that still
do. It was a FASHION that hid the riders inability to ride. THIS IS WHAT SPUR STOPS DO!! A trainer wants his horses to win. A trainer knows his clients do not ride well (Hence... the reason we have trainers in the first place.). Stopping a horse off your seat is very advanced... something 90% of his clients can't do. So he puts a spur stop on them so even a monkey could stop the horse. So then the horses win, and a bunch of them, cause lets face it--there's a lot of poor riders out there that just have a lot of money. They can't learn finesse or a subtle rein cue or a stop with their seat--but they CAN hold their spurs in the horse's side.
This is how a fashion starts.
You want to be a good rider? Learn to stop your horse off of your seat alone. Learn to slow your horse off your seat. All of these things are hard... and guess what? There are people out there, winning classes, using these methods. It's just that no one TALKS about it, because good riding is just good riding. I don't understand why the two of your are thinking that spur riding is the next coming of christ--when there is a PROVEN way to do it BETTER. It's just harder... and takes a more advanced rider. There are hundreds of horses that win Worlds and Congress without a spur stop, so even your logic of 'it wins' is incredibly faulty.
Also, do you know what crabby means? It doesn't mean hot. A lot of crabby horses I know are quiet. They go around with their ears back, their mouths tight, and their tail swishes at every 'spur' command. Because news flash, honey--horses don't like metal in their side, no matter how soft you think it is. "ya, because spur stops and hypp are soooo much alike."
You have a problem with logic, and missed the point of that analogy. Please try again. "none of the spur stopped horses are crabby, honestly unless you have personally trained and worked with them you can tmake that judgement."
Woo! This sentence is a winner. Yes, every one I've ever seen is crabby or tense. But I can't make that judgment unless I've trained one? ...I have eyes, dear.
However, since you're adamant about that, I have. I've trained with several world show AQHA and APHA trainers, and when you're riding one of their horses and they say 'put a spur stop on it', you do. So I have ridden AND trained them.
And my point still stands. "also, blocked tails are illegal, so what do you want us to do? go and kill them all and never show them again?"
Never said that, love. You are aware that A LOT of people still do this, yes? You are ALSO aware that a lot of the time, it's the spur trained horses? You can't show a horse that wrings its tail, and a lot of spur trained horses do this. So... They get an appointment with the vet and end up crapping on their tail for the rest of their life because someone said, 'well it wins.
' "i already have reasoning-it wins. im not going to pay tons of money on my horse and training and shows to lose, my horse can stop with spurs, he can stop without sours. it doesnt matter.
Sure it matters. If it did, you wouldn't use them, and you wouldn't fight so hard about using them if it didn't matter.
You know, with that logic and your statement, it reads in summary: 'I pay a lot of money to show, and I'm not doing that and losing.'
You DO KNOW that that VERY SAME mentality is what gets these horses into trouble in the first place? Why their were peanut rollers, why the show pen got SO SLOW, why we have 4-beaters, why horses were made anemic before they were shown, why people tie their horse's head up hours and hours before a class so that he physically can't lift it during the show-- All of these things have come about because 'it wins'.
The horses cannot protect theirselves. This is why WE have to look at ourselves and see what can be changed to ride them better, to treat them better, and to show them better. The minute you put showing and winning before your horse, your horse loses. "i have a few videos, not of horsemanship though, its mostly trail and showmanship and english pleasure."
Well that's a lie, because before you said, and I quote:
"ok il post a video. might take a few days though.
I guess he looked too crabby on the video that you do have, so we don't get to see it.