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    01-10-2011, 06:28 PM
  #21
Super Moderator
Dash,

Just getting back to this thread after a break. Glad to hear that you have done some work with her on the ground. All you need is a long leadline and a rope halter, and maybe a dressage whip or long stick.
Listening to your description, I wonder is she has some pain issues. Being that stiff might be from something "out" in her hips or spine or ribs.
Just a thought.

I read that if a horse cants it's hind end toward the inside of the circle, most peole try to line up the front and back by pushing the hind out. But I was advised to bring the shoulders over to be infront of the straying hind end.

I use inside rein and inside leg to lift the sagging inside shoulder and recover a bend.

Once she becomes more supple and relaxed on the ground, try doing some walk circles counterbent. This helps get a horse to really step underthemselves.
When the horse goes around canted inside like you have said, they area avoiding the effort of stepping UNDER themselves . They will not reach very far forward with each canter step of the rear legs
YOu might have her trot over cavalletti to build up her abdominal muscles to help be able to bring legs straight under her own spine.
     
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    01-10-2011, 06:54 PM
  #22
Super Moderator
Dash,
I saw your facebook video. She looks ok there, at least for a WP horse. I mean, I am kind of baffled as to why WP finds that kind of shuffling trot and having the head so far down as desireable. I am not even sure it was techinically a trot (a two beat rythm with perfectly opposing sets). Almost seemed like a walk at times. But at least she wastn' kicking up as much dust as some I've seen that are shuffling so lazily that they just plow throught the dust. .I just don't get it, but from what I have seen , that is the kind of jog that they are looking for. I couldn't see the issues you were talking about in that video. You ride very nicely from what I can see
     
    01-10-2011, 09:22 PM
  #23
Foal
Ya, I have a 12 ft line, rope halter and training stick that I always use for my ground work. But would appreciate some loosening excersises. I have done loads of ground work with different horses but none quite like her in the sense of her stiffness. I'm pretty sure she is not sore, the owners have had massage and chiropractics done a few times, mostly massage though and she doesn't feel "out" anywhere other then stiff and over canted. What happened was she hurt her back leg last spring and was put in the field after where nobody did anything with her all year then they took her to a bigger show and the daughter was so frustrated b/c she's fairly green and this mare has a lot of attitude and can be a lot of horse...not a good match for a green rider at all. Nobody did anything with her after that either and then they decided they wanted to sell her. So I am going to show her to get her out there for them, but we need to work out her "issues" first.

When i'm circling her I don't really notice her being canted, it's on the straight that I really notice it, if I circle her a couple times then go to the straight it's not as bad but her hind end slowly drifts back in toward the centre of the ring.i will definitely try the counterbent circles not only on her but my gelding as well. Thanks

As well, unfortunately that is not my facebook video another poster posted that for me. I haven't had a chance to get a video yet becasue I am just doing ground work right now, as well as I have a 2 yr old son at home that my bf has to watch while i'm riding which makes it kinda hard to have him take video so I will have to plan it for when someone else at the barn has some time to take some video for me. Thanks for the comment though if it were me riding
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Originally Posted by tinyliny    
Dash,

Just getting back to this thread after a break. Glad to hear that you have done some work with her on the ground. All you need is a long leadline and a rope halter, and maybe a dressage whip or long stick.
Listening to your description, I wonder is she has some pain issues. Being that stiff might be from something "out" in her hips or spine or ribs.
Just a thought.

I read that if a horse cants it's hind end toward the inside of the circle, most peole try to line up the front and back by pushing the hind out. But I was advised to bring the shoulders over to be infront of the straying hind end.

I use inside rein and inside leg to lift the sagging inside shoulder and recover a bend.

Once she becomes more supple and relaxed on the ground, try doing some walk circles counterbent. This helps get a horse to really step underthemselves.
When the horse goes around canted inside like you have said, they area avoiding the effort of stepping UNDER themselves . They will not reach very far forward with each canter step of the rear legs
YOu might have her trot over cavalletti to build up her abdominal muscles to help be able to bring legs straight under her own spine.
     
    01-10-2011, 10:28 PM
  #24
Yearling
This is what I usually do:

I begin the canter on a 15 meter circle (which is pretty hard for Jesse, he's a brute). Once I've got a decent canter I make it into a 20 meter circle. Then I begin to go down the longside, after a quarter I do a 20 meter half circle. Then I go down half the arena. If that goes well I'll push it to 3 quarters. If that doesn't work out I go back to half and slowly push it further.

I hope this can help.
     
    01-10-2011, 10:38 PM
  #25
Foal
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Originally Posted by Arksly    
This is what I usually do:

I begin the canter on a 15 meter circle (which is pretty hard for Jesse, he's a brute). Once I've got a decent canter I make it into a 20 meter circle. Then I begin to go down the longside, after a quarter I do a 20 meter half circle. Then I go down half the arena. If that goes well I'll push it to 3 quarters. If that doesn't work out I go back to half and slowly push it further.

I hope this can help.
thanks, I think that might work once I am on her again. Hopefully I can get her to loosen on the ground soon so I can get on her.hopefully I can get some video when I am on her next. Maybe I can pick up one of the daughters of the owner and get her to do some video taping.
     
    01-16-2011, 11:43 AM
  #26
Weanling
Have you had her looked at by a ciropractor. She sounds like she may be hurting
She might have a few ribs out of place. I say that cause you say she can't stand your leg with out spurs. Fix the hursts will fix a lot of of other problems
     
    01-16-2011, 12:40 PM
  #27
Foal
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Originally Posted by raywonk    
have you had her looked at by a ciropractor. She sounds like she may be hurting
She might have a few ribs out of place. I say that cause you say she can't stand your leg with out spurs. Fix the hursts will fix a lot of of other problems
yes, she has been looked at by a chiro, the owner had all her horses worked on in the summer. And it's not just when you put leg on, not sure if I said this already or not but if I did o well, when I am on the ground with her doing her ground work (because I am not riding her right now, just trying to fix things on the ground first) if I want her to move her back end away from me she resists even when I am not touching her, as soon as she gets a little pressure on her she starts swishing her tail and and stomping that back leg, if you really put pressure on her she will give a little kick out with that leg.

Haven't been out in a few days...i've been out of town so will be going out today and see what happens, I will keep it posted
     
    01-16-2011, 12:55 PM
  #28
Weanling
Here is something I do in a round pen to help them get decisatized to things touching thier sides. I put buckes on the sadle. One at first. Have her on a lung line so you can stop her when she freks out. Cause she will at first. Go untill she calms down then put bucket on other side. Do this for a few weeks or untill she pays no attenchion to bucket on eather side. Then ad a nother bucket on on each side and start agien.
     

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